Tivo Series3 Lite (Spy Photos)

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by TiivoDog, Jul 11, 2007.

  1. Justin Thyme

    Justin Thyme Contra sceleris

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    Don't the whited out areas interest anyone? Look at the area immediately adjacent the inputs. This is where analog inputs are located on the S2's. And lo and behold- copy pasting the connectors, they would just fit in this whited out space exactly.
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    Meethinkest the S3 Lite hath some tricks in store and may smite more dragons than the S3 can.
     
  2. jfh3

    jfh3 Active Member

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    Interesting possibility. A "one size fits all" Tivo box could be interesting - Tivo could drop the DT box all together. I doubt it though - how many people would try to use the inputs to record an HD stream and be p*ssed when it wouldn't work?

    And they would have to add some logic in the code to know when TTG and MRV could be used and other types of conditional processing.
     
  3. Justin Thyme

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    I don't understand why you think the logic will be any more complicated than the S3's will be (I assume that CableLabs will never agree to allow Tivo to MRV or TTG digital content).

    Logic is simple- Anything that the Tivo encodes is ok to TTG or MRV.

    Second advantage. If cable companies renege on whatever SDV provision that Rogers suggested before Congress that the cablecos would be making- customers could still use the input for SDV/ even if it were somehow invisible to the Cablecard (which it shouldn't be).

    Third. Anyone pissed off about not being able to MRV an HBO show due to flags can just slap a GODVD between the digital cablebox and the analog input.

    Isn't analog wunnerful?

    These pix would have to be showing up now if Tivo were going to hit Christmas, but really, their cards are still being held pretty close to the chest. I really would have exchanged all these pix for a shot of the Mobo and triple word score awarded if the chip numbers were legible. If Tivo is going for lowest cost HD unit, there may be no surprizes there, but what the heck. Maybe Santa will have a nice video post processor upscaler/ artifact reducer, or the main CPU will have tons more memory & Speed for the use by future applications (assuming this unit will at some point be the mass market baseline platform with minimum specs for advanced software).
     
  4. mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

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    They can provide authentication and decryption for up to 6 simultaneous streams.
     
  5. SugarBowl

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    The owner's manual that came with the S3 says something about multistream cards will work, but they are not yet available.
     
  6. SullyND

    SullyND L: 31-14 (10-2) TCF Club

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    The S3 will do multi-stream at some point (at least it is hardware capable) however do not confuse multi-stream with two-way communication.

    What are the odds the S3 gets an upgrade at the same time? (i.e. if the "lite" is an S3.5, there's a S3.5+ that replaces the current S3 (bigger standard drive, plus the S3 niceties)
     
  7. HDTiVo

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    What are you suggesting this would be for?
     
  8. jmoak

    jmoak Beware of Conky!

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    Input from a dth satellite settop? (is that an IR Blaster connection I see?)
    Input from a premium or encrypted digital cable settop on a system that has cablecard waivers?
    A camcorder, maybe?
    :confused:
     
  9. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

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    Can't be as pctured. TiVo, since the Series 2, has had vertical aligned jack sets.

    Not to say there won't be SD box support in the finished product though.
     
  10. HDTiVo

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    I suspect we are talking out of school here. This box needs to be cheap.
     
  11. wolflord11

    wolflord11 Lord of Darkness

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    Remember this is supposed to be a Series 3 Lite. Costs are supposed to go down.

    But here you all are adding more and more to a S3.

    Why not just take a Series3, add whatever features you want? Oh wait, that would mean the cost would go up would it not? :D
     
  12. Justin Thyme

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    Also it needs to hit christmas. For that to happen you need a lengthy Beta test. (When that happens you get leaks of pictures like this.) Hardware has to be gold long before July so that large numbers of product can be manufactured in the far east and shipped to the distributor warehouses by September/October. You can download a new software upgrade in October November when they hit the shelves, but the software that initially ships has to be stable enough to get through a numbskull cablecard installer ordeal. So you have to be gold on that level of software by oh say... August or more probably July.

    And here we are in July seeing pictures like this.

    My crackpot theory is that we are looking at a prototype box with common mobo for two different models. At retail, there will be a bare bones unit and a premium unit both based on a nearly identical motherboard. The S3 premium gets the analog input and blasters and the economy model gets blank metal where we see the whited boxes. They may both really be econo models with a $50 price difference between them. Folks that don't know why they need an analog connector have the choice not to get that option. No electric windows, radio, white wall tires. Folks like choice even if 90% of them choose the electric windows. Marketing weasels understand that sort of weird psychology. That's why they sometimes make them CEOs.

    But the premium/sat unit has too many new test paths and won't be ready / may not even be announced by Christmans. All prototypes in the early beta tests shipped with these- they don't work for the folks testing the econo model, they work for the few testing the premium model.

    As for Classic Sat's (Sorry- I finally read your sig properly) theory, I think you pull our legs. Tivo engineers weren't burdenned by such constraints after they discovered their wrists can rotate 90 degrees and they sucessfully rotated the coax inputs. The UI folks might have raised a stink, except that it is harder to mistake inputs for outputs when they are oriented differently- especially if you are doing it in a darkenned cabinet- or worse- by touch.
     
  13. mikeyts

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    I can see them possibly adding hardware support for two-way comm, but not the larger hard drive. Early adopters will piss and moan about any upgrade--adding more storage might spark a class action suit (I'd join :D).

    One very bad thing about SDV right now is that all of the protocols for it are proprietary and different for every manufacturer's set of cable network equipment. It badly needs to be standardized. Of course, that would take at least another 18 months :).
     
  14. Justin Thyme

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    Early adopters won't care for the low end look of the unit.

    Nor will they care about SD input.

    A class action based on what? A company came out with more features for less price? How unfair that I bought a 128K Mac that was nearly totally useless due to memory constraints when shortly later the 512K Mac comes out and no one wants the 128K Mac. Was I unhappy? No. I sold the 128K Mac and eventually got a MacII while folks still highly valued the 128K Macs.

    Wish I would have kept it. It was a piece of history.

    And I was there. That's what being an early adopter is about. We take the arrows. We plant the flag first. The church ladies roll into town and run the fancy ladies out of town. We move on. With technology- the westward expansion is infinite. Lots of room for real cowboys.
     
  15. mikeyts

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    A class action suit not about "S3 Lite" with advanced features (which ain't gonna happen), but about them replacing the original S3 with an upgraded model. It can be argued that they were fully cognizant of the emerging SDV problem and that they could have at least add the hardware part of two-way communications. The reverse data channel specs from a CableCARD host has been virtually unchanged since CableCARD V1 (those specs had 2-way comm and built-in support for interactive services based on a fixed API and HTML; the industry rejected the latter in favor of waiting for OCAP to be done, making support for bidirectional comm temporarily unnecessary). They sold S3 with the full knowledge that SDV would become an issue. Of course, I bought it with that knowledge, but not everyone did.
     
  16. danieljanderson

    danieljanderson Proud to preach TiVo

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    :rolleyes:
     
  17. HDTiVo

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    Would you like mine?

    I think I am being rather kind to TiVo by saying the cheapo-S3 is coming out around October, especially if you consider when it sounds like they figured out $799 was a lot of money. :eek:
     
  18. Justin Thyme

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    It could be argued, but the argument would be shredded rapidly. Whether the blame lays with the CEA or Cablelabs regarding the lack of an FCC approved standard for two way communications, the point has no bearing on the fact that CableLabs will not certify a box for two way communications without adherance to the Cablecard 2.0 spec. If I understand you correctly, you are not saying they should implement the CC2.0 spec which includes a requirement to support a kitchen sink of difficult to implement and unrelated technologies such as OCAP that are totally irrelevant to the ability to change a channel. You just want them to have put in a circuit that would allow support of changing channels on Switched video (SDV) systems.

    What you are advocating is that Tivo put out a box that did not have CableLabs certification for two way communication.

    Say you got your wish. Would you next sue Tivo because they know that no cable companies would be obligated to allow such boxes to be attached to their networks, much less support their correct operation?

    It seems like a nonsensical blame the rape victim kind of argument to me, but yeah someone could argue it. Are you? If you think Tivo somehow conspired in a plot to see that their customers would not to be able to change channels, then fine- where's the facts supporting the argument. If there is some spec that Tivo could build to that cable companies say they will support- which spec would that be? Do cable companies support it? Do they have concensus among cable companies for supporting it, or is it just the majors? Are there any working systems today that support it?

    If you ask these questions, you will see that this situation is engineered by the cable companies, not Tivo. But I think you know that. Other readers may not.

    Communications companies like to form vertical monopolies, so that the device they put in your hands is their money machine which only sells their goods. They are entitled to attempt to maximize their profits. They are not entitled to tie one product- delivery of data- to another- rental or purchase of the navigation device.

    Imagine a world where car companies owned gas companies and the fuel and engines were special so that they would only work if you bought fuel from the same company. It's euphemistically called a walled garden. It's also called a vertical monopoly, and it's illegal. It's like not being allowed to connect phones not made by the phone company to the telephone network.

    What the cable companies are doing is illegal. What they are doing is against the law- specifically the 1996 Telecom law that required them to allow third party devices to have full access to their networks. They are not in compliance now, nor does it appear they will every be brought into compliance under the current FCC leadership.
     
  19. MichaelK

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    at first I thought it was to white out the TSN so the leaker wouldn't get nailed for violating hte NDA but seems there can't be that many serial numbers ont he thing can there?
     
  20. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Well-Known Mumbler

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    Damn, I was quoted before I got the deletion in. I looked again, and it's not tape. So who knows?
     

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