Tivo Series3 Lite (Spy Photos)

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by TiivoDog, Jul 11, 2007.

  1. supasta

    supasta Active Member

    May 6, 2006


    The comment about the remote threw me off. Why would TiVo ship a Lite S3 with a completely new remote? Why not just ship the Glo Remote, or ever a standard TiVo remote....No, a completely new remote? Sounds off to me.
  2. bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    DC Metro Area
    Guys, don't worry about the looks. The units pictured are meant for beta testing, not retail. The retail cosmetic will be very different.
  3. HDTiVo

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

    Nov 27, 2002
    Cosmetics? Will this be the girly man's HD TiVo? :)
  4. WeBoat

    WeBoat Member

    Nov 6, 2002
    Personally, I'll go for they are real. Tivo HAS to have something like this in development. The S3 is just too expensive to make to sell at a mass market price point, so the must be devloping a new cheaper version to fight off the copy cat devices coming out at the end of the year.

    Personally, I've held off, and I always pay to much for these things. At $300, I'll buy 3..... Just my opinion of course.
  5. PaulS

    PaulS Active Member

    Sep 16, 2002
    Southern NH


    I kinda think they're for reals also, although I'm surprised (in a good way) that the eSATA port is still there.

    Also, the fact that the photos show that the demo unit being very similar to the existing S3 is probably a good sign. I believe that TiVo won't have to go through a complete CableLabs recertification if they only make minor changes to the already-certified S3. TiVo had to do a full pass on the S3 rev "A", but was able to do a self-certification for the S3 rev "B". If TiVo can self-cert this unit, that means they can get it to market that much quicker.
  6. JJ

    JJ TiVoPlantation Owner

    Jul 14, 2000
    Land of...
    Makes sense
    to use a S3 shell for a test sample. Light weight could be from revised faceplate and no finished shielding internally. Mock ups can be very crude in early test stages, no question there. Progress has no patientce...
  7. raygundan

    raygundan New Member

    Oct 29, 2003
    My Cox installer here in AZ hasn't been able to get my S3 working, so when he came back today he had instructions "for the new Tivos" thinking that the reason mine was failing was that it was one of these.

    Since it was a black-and-white manual for installers, it had only line drawings, but the pics were of a cablecard tivo with both cablecard slots on the front of the unit, and it will supposedly work with a multistream card in one slot, according to his instructions. I didn't have it in my hands long enough to see much else.
  8. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

    Apr 17, 2000
    The current S3 units will work with a single multi-stream card as well. That's why one of the slots (I believe it's the bottom one) says "use this slot first". However at this point the TiVo software doesn't support multi-stream cards, so for now even if you install a multi-stream card it will act like a single stream card.

  9. raygundan

    raygundan New Member

    Oct 29, 2003
    I also didn't see an antenna jack in the docs, so they've probably scrapped OTA to lower costs. Hard to tell from the B&W pics, but there are some LEDs and maybe a clock on the front.
  10. pkscout

    pkscout Well-Known Member

    Jan 10, 2003
    Honolulu, HI
    They are very talented and love playing with mice. :D
  11. mattn2

    mattn2 New Member

    Mar 23, 2001
    Erie, CO
    There is an OTA antenna input, look right of cable input.

    Since the same decoder chipset does QAM+ATC+NTSC, there is very little cost savings in removing it.

    # Matt
  12. rodalpho

    rodalpho New Member

    Sep 12, 2006
    I don't understand; what did they rip out of the S3 to make it cheaper? I can only see two major differences; it only has a single set of composite outputs, which can't cost more than a dollar, and it doesn't have the sharp OLED front display. It still has two cablecard slots, which are expensive. I guess it could come with a smaller drive, but 250GB is a sweet spot in pricing. It even has the eSATA port.

    Where are the cost savings here? If they can release identical functionality at a lower price, wouldn't this model just obsolete today's S3 entirely?
  13. danieljanderson

    danieljanderson Proud to preach TiVo

    Nov 18, 2002
    It probably will not be THX certified. That will save money. It may not have all the noise dampening of the current S3.
  14. MickeS

    MickeS Well-Known Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Lots of little cost savings add up. If something is not even included, it doesn't need to be tested, documented, no software has to be written to handle it, and so on.
    If you remove $50 worth of stuff on a unit, maybe you can lower the price by 3x that amount (a figure I saw somewhere I think, but can't confirm). An input here, a display there, and all of a sudden you got your savings.
  15. rodalpho

    rodalpho New Member

    Sep 12, 2006
    I don't think many consumers care about those things, they just want a HD TiVo.
  16. WeBoat

    WeBoat Member

    Nov 6, 2002
    Again just guessing, most of the weight in the unit is power supply. Less items, different design, might be a much lower power unit. That would explain the weight and some of the cost. Just a "cheaper" build also in the metal of the case.
  17. Corran Horn

    Corran Horn Member

    Feb 12, 2002

    So that is only a software fix?

    (blood pressure goes back down)
  18. Gloftoe

    Gloftoe New Member

    Jun 14, 2004
    Are multi-stream cards the ones that will allow the use of on-demand features, and "switched digital video" channels? If so, WHY would Tivo only allow the use of ONE of those cards? That doesn't make much sense.
  19. Saxion

    Saxion Substantive Member

    Sep 17, 2006
    San Diego
    No. Multi-stream cards can simply decode 2 streams at once. They are functionally identical to a pair of single-stream cards. There is no such thing as a "card" that will enable on-demand or SDV, and there never will be. Today's CableCARDs are perfectly capable of such things. It is the design of the host device, not the cards, that needs to change to support such things.
  20. inaka

    inaka Well-Known Member

    Nov 26, 2001
    Anyone remember the Apple iWalk? :D

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