Tivo Series3: Availability 9/17/2006 @ $799 MSRP?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Aug 27, 2006.

  1. lynesjc

    lynesjc New Member

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    OT, but why on earth would you spend that much on a SD DVD player when you can get an hd dvd player for $500 or less? Regardless of whether blu or hd wins, sd dvd is obsolete.
     
  2. Welshdog

    Welshdog Tivo this, punk!

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    Thanks for that. Are you familiar with the Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity website? They have just released a new HDMI Cable BenchMark test that I found useful. They don't test the cable from Monoprice, but they do test one from these guys HDTVsupply It also has a reasonable price.
     
  3. Welshdog

    Welshdog Tivo this, punk!

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    Neither of the HD disc formats are sorted out yet. Both have issues that I don't want to deal with, and both probably won't do a very good job of scaling up SD DVDs in my collection or that I get from Netflix. It will be a quite a while before Netflix starts renting HD discs I think. The Denon player does an excellent job on scaling. Plus it has the DenonLink proprietary multi-channel audio connection that works with my Denon receiver for SACD and DVD-A. This player will serve me just fine until the HD format wars are over. Here is a quote from the review I linked earlier in this thread:
    I have learned not to be an early adopter.
     
  4. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Actually I've seen reviews that praise how well the Toshiba HD-DVD player upscales SD DVDs. In fact I believe Sound & Vision said it looked better then even their recomended $1,800 upscaling DVD player.

    Also Netflix started renting HD-DVD and Blu-Ray disks on the first day they were released.

    Dan
     
  5. Welshdog

    Welshdog Tivo this, punk!

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    Thanks for the info. This is why forums are a good thing. ;)
     
  6. pkaytes

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    Not to mention functionality. I have an HD DVR from my cable company and the thing is a piece of crap. Navigation buttons don't do what you think they'd do, planning and recording programs is a pain (you have to find the program day/date first and then set it to record, at which point you can set a recurring recording). The first run/first run and repeats doesn't work, I often get the same program 5 times because the guide can't tell a first run from a repeat. The buttons on the remote don't do what you'd think they should (and I'm not techno-illiterate). The guide doesn't group episodes of the same show. And after 3 or 4 HD programs/movies, I'm full up.

    Sure the rental is cheap, but you get what you pay for. I'd gladly shell out the bucks for a box that has the DVR capablility of a TIVO (Wishlist/Pick Programs solves most of the above problems and the guide appears to be more accurate from TIVO than the cable box provides) and can do high def. I get rid of two crappy cable boxes, the rental on the HD, and the rental on the DVR, along with their crappy remotes.
     
  7. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I believe they were talking about the upcoming upgrade that will allow you to run the TiVo software on your Comcast DVR. The deal has been in the works for over a year and is finally supose to be released sometime in the next few months.

    Dan
     
  8. blipszyc

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    For me $799 is too much. For others, perhaps not. But what I want to know is why does it have to be $799. Why did they go with such a large hard drive out of the gate. Why not go back to their original business model of varying hour units. Sell a 14 hour unit for $399 that uses a small hard drive and a 60 hour unit for $799 that houses a larger drive. Better yet, they could only sell the smaller unit for $399 and offer huge TiVo branded hard drives, guaranteed to work, for $400. (Like the Xbox360 models - Core/Premium) This way they could compete with CableCo's that can subsidize their boxes, but at the same time appeal to those who want the extra recording time.

    My wife and I were really psyched to hear that a non Sat HD Tivo was on its way, but it looks like we'll be putting up with the Adelphia DVR for another season.
     
  9. seattlewendell

    seattlewendell New Member

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    I don't care that the original HD Directivo was $999. I just paid $89 for a LCD portable DVD player. 5 years ago my company was selling them for $1000.
    $799 is too much. Both cable and satellite options are much much cheaper. $799 is totally out of scale especially combined with monthly service charges. I suspect that this information is incorrect.
     
  10. jfh3

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    Maybe so they wouldn't lose money on the hardware cost.

    250GB isn't that big when recording hidef - around 30 hours. And the cost difference between a 120 or 160 drive and a 250 drive at wholesale wouldn't be enough to drop the retail price by 1/2.
     
  11. MichaelK

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    I dont think the hard drive really amount to a large percentage of the things cost. Maybe going with a 160gig drive would save $50- it's not like it would save hundreds.

    A 250 gig drive gets you like 30hours o HD f programming- I guess they just figured that the 14 hours in a 160gig drive was too small and not worth a $50 savings.

    So the choice would be
    a 30hr 250gig unit for $799
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    a 14hr 160gig unit for $749

    People paying 750 probably dont flinch at another 50 bucks to double the capacity. Many would pay another $50 if it would have come with a 400 or 500gig drive.

    Maybe later it makes sense to go lower but I dont think the launch matters...
     
  12. MichaelK

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    remember the price on day 1 is not the price for life.

    HMO was $99 dollars and then it became free.

    The HD tivo was 999 but now it's 399 (or there abouts) the box is still the same and the manufacturing cost is likely not significantly cheaper. It's not a newer model.

    All these threads clearly demonstrate that a certain amount of people will but the box at $799. Why sell it to them for $500 and leave all that money on the table? Once the $799 group is exhausted then they will lower the price.

    The price will drop.

    The only question is how fast.

    even without changing the MSRP they can use rebates and service plans to vastly change the prices...
     
  13. Tim N.

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    I have two TIVO's now. The Sony Series one talks to a Motorola STB to receive its picture and the quality is reasonable. The TIVO II is getting its signal directly from the cable (no STB) and the picture quality sucks.

    If TIVO Series III gets its signal from the cable and I install cablecard(s), will the picture quality look like the Series II picture quality, or like the quality you get when you go through a STB? This question probably applies only to the analog channels. The digital channels will either look 100%, or they will be pixelated.

    So, will a cablecard enable better picture quality, or will it just unscramble the digital channels?
     
  14. etsolow

    etsolow Don't Try

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    Does anyone have a feel for how easy it will be to inject downloaded MPEG4 files into the TiVo S3 viewing experience? I'm a current DirecTV subscriber, so I'm not up on all the TTG/HME-type stuff. Seems to me that if that process is seamless enough, it might obviate the need for a second S3 unit for additional tuners. Use BitTorrent/iTunes as a virtual 3rd/4th tuner for the rare conflicts.
     
  15. terryfoster

    terryfoster TiVo Pioneer

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    The S3 will record digital cable at a much better quality than any previous TiVo to date. The analog channels will be dependent on the signal quality of your cable line and the quality setting you choose (assuming this is still an option on the box).

    Cablecard doesn't affect PQ at all, except for it's ability to decrypt possible digital simulcasts of analog channels.
     
  16. MichaelK

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    ANALOG channels (usually below channel 100) will still get encoded by the tivo. So you are looking at a similar quality as you see now.

    DIGITAL channels will not be encoded they aalready are at the cable head end so the tivo will just record them as is. THese channels are usually 100 and higher on cable systems or the x-y channels if ATSC. Your might not be recording some digital channels on your series1 becasue the STB from moto is converting them from digital to analog to pass them to the tivo then the tivo reencodes from analog to digital. That step will be avoided with the series 3 so you should get somewhat better quality but still cant get anythign better then what you cable company gives you.

    But just becasue somethign is digital doesn't mean all or nothing. As far as reception it's all or nothing. But it also matters how the provider chooses to encode the data. THere are vast differnces in the same material depending on how it is encoded. You wont get snow or anything but you will get less detail and more motion artificats with low quality encoding.
     
  17. booboy97

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    The $799 price I can swallow, but I've got 4 TV's - 2 HD's and 2 SD's. I've got Comcast for my 2 HD signals and DirecTivo for my dual tuner setup for all the TV's. Paying for 2 services is a drag but I can't live without dual tuners and I wanted HD (couldn't do it because my signals are stacked - but there is new hardware now to support the Multi Sat signal stacked).

    Anyways, I would have to be in the market for 3 S3s if I ditched Sat (I'll live with SD on the final unit).

    3 units at $799/each is pretty steep. Not sure what I'll do.

    How many would you all buy at that price?
     
  18. MichaelK

    MichaelK Active Member

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    not positive (using directv now myself while waiting for the series3...) but i think there is a 3rd part freeware program that allows you to take basically any format video clip and vocert it on the fly to mpeg2 for a series 2 tivo.

    Probably want to check out the HMO/HME forums here for details.
     
  19. MickeS

    MickeS Well-Known Member

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    I believe the warranty was always void when you opened up the TiVo and did your own HD installation, sticker or no sticker. :)
     
  20. seattlewendell

    seattlewendell New Member

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    I realize that this is a Tivo board but to say that there are no other products on the market is just an extremely uniformed statement. Products are judged by what they do not how they do it. I have two different dual tuner HD DVR in my house right now. Direct TV is also releasing one I believe next month.
     

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