Tivo Series3: Availability 9/17/2006 @ $799 MSRP?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by bkdtv, Aug 27, 2006.

  1. Sep 7, 2006 #701 of 831

    classicX Don't scream.

    May 10, 2006
    Miles away...
    When I had CableVision, their STBs had cable cards in them. My comcast boxes do not, however.
  2. Sep 7, 2006 #702 of 831

    TK421 Member

    Feb 25, 2002
    Madison, WI
    I don't think you'll really have to rent two things, just all STB will use the cable card technology. They'll most likely come with the CC already installed and operational. It will be similar to using a satellite receiver with a smart card.

    Good question. I would guess that if the 2.0 standards aren't complete, this will be the reason the cable companies give to the FCC to extend the deadline.
  3. Sep 7, 2006 #703 of 831

    classicX Don't scream.

    May 10, 2006
    Miles away...
    In any case, I would think that the cable company boxes will use the cablecard for decrypting and mapping channels, but the VOD and interactive Guide and PPV would work just as they do now. Why would that change?
  4. Sep 7, 2006 #704 of 831

    nhey New Member

    Jul 4, 2004
    The cable co's box would provide PPV and video-0n-demand, while the cablecards are needed for the TIVO S3 for digital ( and all HD) programming.

    I just called Comcast and was told the cablecard is "free". That's good news.

    How does the S3 get it's program guide for Comcast programming? Is it obtained from comcast over the cablecard?
  5. Sep 7, 2006 #705 of 831

    cwoody222 Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 1999
    Buffalo, NY
    No, it's obtained from Tribune Media / Zap2It.com like all other SA TiVos.

    Note... I advise anyone in the market for a S3 and want to use OTA HD to visit zap2it.com to check whether your local listings are correct.

    Lots of my sub-channels are completely wrong :(

    I sent an email to have them corrected but that could take time / effort.
  6. Sep 7, 2006 #706 of 831

    morac Cat God

    Mar 14, 2003
    I'd call them again, because that is definately not true. Comcast charges the same rental price for a box or a card. Some packages include the box rental fee which would mean the box would be "free". If you replaced the box with the cablecard the cablecard would also be "free". If you added a card, you'd have to pay an extra $5.

    I'm not sure what Comcast's take is on having 2 cards in one device. I would assume they would charge for two cards, but others have said that they actually charge per device which would only charge for one card. Personally I don't see how Comcast can charge the same rental fee for a > $400 cable box as a < $50 cable card.
  7. Sep 7, 2006 #707 of 831

    classicX Don't scream.

    May 10, 2006
    Miles away...
    You'd call them again and you'd be wasting your time. Comcast charges differently for CableCard in different areas.

    In New Jersey, for me, Cablecard is FREE.

    Installation is not, though.
  8. Sep 7, 2006 #708 of 831

    Jazhuis New Member

    Aug 30, 2006
    No, program guide should still be coming from Tivo via phone or network. The cablecard's primary purpose at that point is twofold:
    1. Unencrypt the digital channels you subscribe to.
    2. Correctly map the QAM subchannels to the Comcast channels. Tivo's guide information is going to be based on the Comcast numbers (they rarely change).
  9. Sep 7, 2006 #709 of 831

    drew2k Drew != Drawn

    Jun 9, 2003
    Long Island, NY
    That probably wasn't a cablecard in the Cablevision box - it was most likely a "smart card" that authorized the receiver, much like the DirecTV or Dish cards. CableCards are like PCMCIA cards - much thicker than the credit-card sized smart cards.
  10. Sep 7, 2006 #710 of 831

    MichaelK Active Member

    Jan 10, 2002
    I believe cablecards are free from comcast.

    The big 5 cablco's basically agreed to rent them for $2 or less so the FCC wouldn't regulate a price.

    BUT they can charge an "addtional outlet fee". If you get a STB from them it apparently would cost box rental + addtioanl outlet fee, if you get a tivo it will apparently cost nothing for cablecard but likely an addtional outlet fee.

    At least that's how I understand it currently....
  11. Sep 7, 2006 #711 of 831

    MichaelK Active Member

    Jan 10, 2002
    apparently they can use one way cablecards for security and still have proprietary stuff in the box for VOD and SDV and the like. Search for posts from DT_DC, he explains it best.
  12. Sep 7, 2006 #712 of 831

    dt_dc Mostly Harmless

    Jul 31, 2003
    This was the post:

    Here's an example of the kind of boxes cable suppliers have been showing in case the integration ban holds ... and OCAP / DCAS isn't fully rolled out. The SciAtl 8300HDC. A CableCard DVR, but runs all the same existing software (guide, VOD, SDV, DVR, etc) as the existing SciAtl 8300HD. Ie, basically it looks acts and feels just like existing cable boxes ... it just uses the CableCard for security:

    I wish I could find the link to it again ... there was an interview in one of the trade magizines with a couple cable CTOs talking about DCAS and if the integration ban holds ... and DCAS isn't ready to go yet ... cable's suppliers are ready to start providing these boxes ...
  13. Sep 7, 2006 #713 of 831

    MichaelK Active Member

    Jan 10, 2002
    thank you sir.

    always a pleasure!
  14. Sep 7, 2006 #714 of 831

    greenstork New Member

    Apr 5, 2006
    Cable viewing in two rooms?
  15. Sep 8, 2006 #715 of 831

    boblip11 New Member

    Oct 6, 2005
    I have this situation. (But the cablecard is free after a $30 install)

    My SA box from comcast only always outputs at 1080i even for analog channels. I hate the sidebars on analog channels (like most people)...but the zoom capability on the SA box is really bad. My Aquos does a much better job...so I have a cablecard to let me have the Aquos do the zooming. If I am watch HD live...I think the quality is better with the cablecard than the Sci-Atlantic box.

    I am at bit bummed that I cannot just take the cablecard out of my TV and put it into my HDTivo...but I will be getting a HDTivo ASAP...the SA cable DVR has reduced my wife to tears several times. The UI is just terrible. She would rather watch shows in SD on the upstairs TIVO than try to get the show in HD on the cable DVR.
  16. Sep 8, 2006 #716 of 831

    nathanziarek New Member

    Sep 1, 2006
    FWIW, not me. I prefer to see then entire frame and the people not look like fat midgets. Letterboxing never bothered me, either.

    I've read a number of threads here, but no one really seems to nail this question: Have we been guaranteed that the S3 will not have TTG/MRV out of the gate but it is expected soon after? Or is everything regarding those two features pure speculation at this time?

  17. Sep 8, 2006 #717 of 831

    bkdtv New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    DC Metro Area
    Tivo has said they will be supporting MRV, but we don't know if will be supported from day one. Tivo has also said there could be some restrictions on what HDTV channels will work with MRV and TivoToGo, so we'll have to wait and see about that.
  18. Sep 8, 2006 #718 of 831

    dr_mal It's CWS time

    Mar 21, 2001
    Abingdon, VA

    Of course, since I went HD, the amount of 4:3 SD programming I watch is pretty much zero anyway.
  19. Sep 8, 2006 #719 of 831

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

    Jan 2, 2004
    TiVo has said they would like to and yes anything about these two features is speculation
  20. Sep 8, 2006 #720 of 831

    ufo4sale Well-Known Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Somerset NJ...
    stupid question but wouldn't it be painfully slow to transfer an HD show from one Tivo to another using MRV?

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