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TiVo Series1 DVRs will not be compatible with new guide data!

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by David Bott, Aug 16, 2016.

  1. Oct 6, 2016 #181 of 243
    leswar

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    So since my call of 9/15 I received an email last week from tivo with a case number and confirmation that I could transfer PLS to a bolt by calling in and requesting a supervisor.

    I decided to place my order today before we get hit by Hurricane Matthew because of warnings about power outages of 2 weeks in Vero Beach. Looks like we may be ground zero. Don't know how long or bad this may end up being.

    Anyway I was connected with a nice supervisor named "Matthew". He asked how my day was going. Haha, I let him know about his hurricane namesake. We bonded over all that.

    I was ready to bite the bullet on the Bolt+ but he indicated that the Bolt+ is not part of the offer. So I went with the 500 GB bolt for $174.99 (Save the money upgrade the HD later).

    He was ready to finalize the order but placed me on hold to check on something. He recommended that I wait to place the order until after the hurricane and its aftermath. Tivo can't guarantee safe shipping. Then he said he would (follow-up) call me once a day starting on the 13th until he reaches me.

    Update: Apparent wobble to the north which could mean a more seaward path for the center. Let's hope. Signing off now to disconnect electronics.
     
  2. dmayspa

    dmayspa New Member

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    It took perseverance but I finally got my Series 1's transferred. My 2 new bolts came today with service transfer letters. Can I do the transfer online as the letter mentions or do I have to call?
     
  3. bkc56

    bkc56 Designated Grunt

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    I had to call to get it done. Because it's a special case (not a supported lifetime transfer method) it requires a support person to make it happen.
     
  4. leswar

    leswar leswar

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    yup. I tried online and waited a couple days. Didn't transfer. So a call to Tivo and a couple hours later all was good. They had said it could take 48 to 72 hours.
     
  5. Nov 2, 2016 #185 of 243
    magnus

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    So, if you didn't connect between some set of dates retroactively then you can't get any offers? That sux... Rovi/Tivo.
     
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  6. Nov 2, 2016 #186 of 243
    dmayspa

    dmayspa New Member

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    How long did it take for it to happen? I called last Saturday and 3 biz days later not done yet. Did you have to take any additional steps? When I called they didn't ask for the new TSNs. Today I logged on to the website and saw it said "researching" by the status. I added a note with the TSN numbers of the new bolts.
     
  7. Nov 3, 2016 #187 of 243
    saberman

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    I have not received any information from TiVo. I have a Series I (Pioneer with DVD) and another one from, I think TiVo.

    What I have noticed very recently is that series I have on my PC that I transfer to the TiVo are no longer treated as a series. Specifically, I have eleven years of Mash on my PC. Previously, when I transferred a number of episodes from my PC to my TiVo they would show up in a single group which I could then drill down to see the individual episodes. That no longer happens. Each episode is treated as an individual program that is not part of a series.
     
  8. Nov 3, 2016 #188 of 243
    atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    Any of the TiVos with DVD players built in are Series 2 TiVos not Series 1 TiVos. Regarding the way your Mash shows are showing up, I believe that is a setting change, I do not have my older TiVos on right now to verify perhaps someone else will remember.
     
  9. Nov 3, 2016 #189 of 243
    HerronScott

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

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    I believe this is related to the Rovi guide data change since the shows that you've saved have Tribune series/program ID's. Are these still in TiVo format?

    Scott
     
  10. Nov 3, 2016 #190 of 243
    saberman

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    Your are correct it is a Series 2. However it is set to group and shows that were recorded on the TiVo show up in groups.
     
  11. Nov 3, 2016 #191 of 243
    saberman

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    They are in mpg format and have a corresponding txt file. They are made available to the TiVo via pyTiVo. If I look at the TiVo via kmttg they show as grouped.
    The videos were ripped from DVDs years ago. The corresponding txt files were obtained via MetaGenerator which pulls descriptions from various online databases.
     
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  12. Nov 3, 2016 #192 of 243
    Wil

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    As alluded to, those data bases have the standard programId. Tivo does not use or recognize the standard programId anymore since their takeover by Rovi.
     
  13. Nov 3, 2016 #193 of 243
    HerronScott

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    There's a new version of MetaGenerator that's being tested for generating Rovi-compatible metadata. If you want these to group together, you'll have to generate new metadata txt files for them.

    Scott
     
  14. Nov 3, 2016 #194 of 243
    saberman

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    Then why do programs recorded years ago and left on the TiVo still get grouped? The meta data in the .TiVo file has not changed but it is recognized as episode grouping.
     
  15. Nov 3, 2016 #195 of 243
    saberman

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    What I need is the difference in the txt file format so I can reformat all of the txt files. I am not going to go through downloading eleven years worth of episode descriptions again.

    I am also a little confused. The programs that have been on the TiVo for a long time are still grouped properly even though the meta data in the TiVo files has not changed. If I download an old video from the TiVo using kmttg, but save it on the PC as a .TiVo file (instead of separating into an mpg and a txt file) and then have the TiVo pull it back using pyTiVo will it still be grouped? If so, it would appear that the problem is not in the txt file format but in the way pyTiVo combines the mpg and txt file into a TiVo format for sending to the TiVo.
     
  16. Nov 4, 2016 #196 of 243
    HerronScott

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    I supposed you could just change the seriesId and programId in all the txt files to the new ones but I'm definitely not an expert. Here's an example of the differences for the same episode of Supergirl before and after the Rovi guide data change.

    Before:
    seriesId : SH02185451
    programId : EP021854510002

    After:
    seriesId : SH0331260538
    programId : EP0331260538-0335978506

    The shows don't exist as a TiVo file on the TiVo so there is no metadata in them. That's a format purely created for downloading to your PC. The update to accommodate the Rovi metadata either created a mapping for the old Id's or it actually updated them to the new Id's as part of the guide data change which allows the existing shows and new shows recorded after the change to group together This is why it was such a major change as my understanding is that at least 1 of those Id's (if not both) was created/"owned" by Tribune and TiVo wasn't allowed to use them after their contract with Tribune was up. I seem to recall some comments here that this was going to be almost an impossible task for them.

    Scott
     
  17. Nov 4, 2016 #197 of 243
    saberman

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    What I don't understand is that I have three phantom transfers grouped under MASH but if I transfer videos with the same seriesId they don't group. The txt files contain (Pilot):

    isEpisode : true
    seriesId : SH002710
    episodeNumber : 1

    So where is the mapping table of old seriesId's to new seriesID's?
     
  18. Nov 4, 2016 #198 of 243
    HerronScott

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    Not sure what you mean about phantom transfers grouped under MASH. As far as I know that mapping/migration was only during the update but perhaps someone who is more knowledgeable about this will respond.

    Scott
     
  19. Nov 5, 2016 #199 of 243
    saberman

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    Phantom transfers are videos that are shown as transferring but really aren't. They have the blue dot next to them. If you click on them and select stop transfer nothing happens. If you click on them and try to view them they say the video is empty.
     
  20. Nov 5, 2016 #200 of 243
    saberman

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    I have been downloading shows from one of my TiVos for over ten years. Now if I pull them back to the TiVo they won't be grouped? That is insane. The TiVo should map the seriesId to the corresponding programid when it pulls the video.

    BTW, where is the description of a show stored on the TiVo if it is not in the meta data for the video file? Is there a separate database with program descriptions?
     

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