TiVo Series 3

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by azvenigo, Jan 23, 2006.

  1. mattack

    mattack Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    It's admittedly NOT the exact same situation, but somewhat similar.. standalone hard drive/DVD recorders *can* reencode their recordings to a lower rate when burning to DVD. They're basically just playing the existing recording, and simultaneously recording with the new settings to the DVD.

    So really, there's no reason Tivo couldn't do this too, but it adds confusion to the user, since it is using the recording facilities of the machine in the meantime.
  2. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

    Jan 2, 2004

    plus TiVo would rather you just see the solution as acquiring multiple S3s so you can MRV HD around. Why spend resources on something that has a better solution in terms of revenue for TiVo ;)
  3. JPRosiak

    JPRosiak Mr. Wizard

    Aug 31, 2002
    Not sure if anyone has seen this yet, but I found this video of the new tivo series 3. It shows the connections, options, and even gives an anticipated production time frame :eek: .
    If this was posted somewhere else, I apologize for the duplication.

  4. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

    Feb 18, 2004
    Ontario Canada.
    But by then, even if not now, there will be a plethora of HD chipsets,so the costs between an SD ATSC box and an HD ATSC box will be marginal. Even makining CC/ATSC combos might bring the quantity of boxes up, and the costs further down.
  5. Fist of Death

    Fist of Death Bon Vivant

    Jan 4, 2002
    The Emerald...
    Thanks for the link to the great video - I learned a lot. It also served to remind me how much I detest the tech-idiot-savant types, desperately trying to demonstrate intellectual supremecy by constant staccato interruptions. That guy reminds me of a cross between a used car salesman and *any* Best Buy sales person!

    I'm looking forward to replacing my 2 Series-2 TiVo's with Series-3 units when they arrive...
  6. tewcewl

    tewcewl New Member

    Dec 18, 2004
    Chicago, IL
    Just a couple of quick questions: what does ATSC stand for? And how does multi-stream CableCard technology work? Does this presume that the whole spectrum is being fed through cable like it is nowadays, unlike an unstacked satellite signal?
  7. megazone

    megazone Hardcore TiVo Geek

    Mar 3, 2002
    Advanced Television Systems Committee - the committee that developed the digiral OTA broadcast standards for the US. The standard is named after the committee.

    NTSC, National Television Systems Committee, is the old analog broadcast standard for the US. Actually NTSC was B&W and NTSC 2 is color, but everyone just calls analog NTSC. ATSC is the digital replacement which covers broadcasts in 480i (SDTV, what NTSC is), 480p (EDTV), 720p (HDTV), 1080i (HDTV), and 1080p (HDTV). (Yes, 1080p is in there, but only at 24/30fps, and never used.)

    And yes, cable broadcasts the whole spectrum down the wire in discrete frequencies, and leaves it for the tuner to select what it needs, including digital cable. The CableCARD is simply a decryption token, needed to tune encrypted digital cable channels. Almost all of today's CableCARD systems are single stream, meaning the card allows decryption of one channel at a time. Multi-stream cards, defined by not widespread yet, allow decryption of up to 5 channels at a time - but only as many as the host device has tuners for. (So a dual-tuner Series3 box with a multi-stream card can only tune 2 channels.)
  8. tewcewl

    tewcewl New Member

    Dec 18, 2004
    Chicago, IL
    mega, thanks for the response! It cleared up a few things for me. I had always wondered how we got to ATSC from NTSC. Now, I know this has no bearing on TiVo in the States, but is Europe going to adhere to similar standards set by the ATSC, getting rid of their PAL broadcast signal. Does anyone know the answer to that? I'm just curious.
  9. Dennis Wilkinson

    Dennis Wilkinson Active Member

    Sep 24, 2001
    Europe is using a different broadcast mechanism (DVB-T, using COFDM; as opposed to ATSC, using 8VSB.) Actual high-def resolutions are similar to those broadcast in the US, although using frame rates similar to PAL (25fps) in common usage.

    The actual tuning of OTA content (the RF tuner/demodulator) would be different, but once an MPEG stream is extracted, it's actually covered by the same specs, at least for truly HD resolutions.)
  10. lrhorer

    lrhorer Active Member

    Aug 31, 2003
    Amen to that! I really couldn't care less about TiVo-To-Go and am not really interested in the HMO option, and unless the PC based TiVo utilities really a lot better than I suspect they are, I want telnet, ftp, TiVoWeb, and TyTool on a Series 3.
  11. flempitsky

    flempitsky New Member

    Oct 31, 2002
    What player do I use to watch this video. I tired MEdia Player 9 with the MPEG 4 Codec. all I get is audio no video. Any ideas?

  12. tewcewl

    tewcewl New Member

    Dec 18, 2004
    Chicago, IL
    Quicktime worked well for me.
  13. MichaelK

    MichaelK Active Member

    Jan 10, 2002

    sure could work out that way. I just wanted to point out ATSC doesn't HAVE TO BE HD.
  14. MichaelK

    MichaelK Active Member

    Jan 10, 2002
    that's why I originally wrote:

    "they could wire up some path to do it with the internal encoder instead of using CPU and software but that would require them to build in a chip that has the ability to handle a third stream in case you tuned to 2 analog channels and both encoders where busy."

    I am pretty positive they wont allow an encoder to be taken off line- since the like the concept of 'virtual tuner' that can do anything. Taking an encoder off line kills your ability to tune to 2 analog channels which require encoding.
  15. George Cifranci

    George Cifranci TiVo Bolt 500GB - TE4 UI

    Jan 30, 2003
    FYI.. That "idiot-savant-type" is Bob Pony aka TivoPony who is a frequent contributer and valued member of these forums ...

  16. weldon

    weldon Member

    Jun 17, 2001
    I think the "idiot-savant" comment was directed at the guy behind the camera who kept interrupting with questions that were phrased in a way that made it seem like the guy was trying to "play smart." I suspect that because I had the same reaction to the guy off-camera.

    Not to Bob, he's just dandy.
  17. timstack8969

    timstack8969 Member

    May 14, 2004
    I want to get another TIVO. I currently have the Series 2 TIVO. Should I wait for the Series 3 or get a cheap Series 2 with the rebate deal??? Also, will the Series 3 work with Series 2 for multi-room feature??? Thank's
  18. classicsat

    classicsat Astute User

    Feb 18, 2004
    Ontario Canada.
    It depends how desparate you are for another TiVo. Get an S2 now, if you want one.

    An S2 and an S3 should MRV SD MPEG2 content (rights permitting).

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