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Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by dtsfanohio, May 31, 2007.
I don't know why it would need to.
On Series 2s you could transfer shows from one TiVo to another for viewing.
It was a slow process (same time if not slower) although completely useful to those of use with multiple TiVos in the house - LR/BR/Basement/Shower
Isn't comcast 'testing' these tivo boxes in some markets? Doesn't anyone have one of them?
How much can the display possibly cost?
Um, everyone who's not on an all-digital system... which I think is still most cable users.
I think almost all of the "how to make an S3 Lite" suggestions I've seen, here and in other threads, are terrible, won't work, and wouldn't save any money. What they'll actually do, I can't guess.
I just wish they made a Series2 that could handle cablecard. There is so little HD content out there it'd be cool if they had a device that would work for people who just have cable boxes and SDTVs that don't want to deal with IR transmitters and want dual tuners.
maybe it is an S3 but in a card board box instead of a metal case. held togather by tape. no manual. no free cables.
That wouldn't make any sense. Rogers talk about the box the whole time has been to allow them to participate in HD at a reasonable price. I'd would even say that thee current S2DT will be the last SD box we'll see out of Tivo.
Why? The S2 has capabilities the S3 doesn't have... (TTG, MRV.) There are plenty of examples where a newer, cheaper product line leapfrogs the previous (more expensive) generation with some better features.
The Apple iBook had internal Wi-Fi before the the (much) more expensive PowerBook...
Au contraire, mon frere!
There's quite a bit out there. Glad I have a 750 GB S3 with which to enjoy it.
well in that case, just rent the CCo DVR for $10/mo and save a boatload of cash. No Tivo UI, but still.....
There not Tivo boxes, but motorola and SA dvr's running the Tivo software.
To my knowledge, there's only one provider of switched digital video gear... Scientific Atlanta (a.k.a. Cisco.) And they claim it's an open standard, however all I've been able to find is the name of the document. (even the mighty Google hasn't spotted the actual spec.)
SDV isn't technically "video on demand", so a good lawyer might be able to squeek past the UDCP licensing requirements. Once there's a modulator, that is.
Ok, I've seen this far too many times... the OTA tuner IS the cable tuner. No one makes QAM only demodulators. (because, as dt_dc quoted, the FCC requires digital cable tuners to have broadcast tuners.)
Analog cable tuning is required by both Cable Labs and the FCC... the EBS alert channel is analog. Nobody includes it in the channel list; TW/Raleigh it's channel 125.
About the only way to assemble a S3 cheaper is... a) put a smaller drive in it, but that really limits it's usefullness and is only a marginal cost reduction -- hard drives get cheaper every day. b) drop the thx certification. That's an expensive logo with next to zero return. c) lose the oled display -- it's nice and all, but it's definately not free. You'll notice, eSATA isn't on the chopping block... because it won't save anything; it's a piece of plastic (the connector) and a hole in the back plate. It's not like there's 100$ in chips for that eSATA port.
Because that isn't the stated intention of the S3-lite device.
That was not TiVo's intent.
Absolutely. There is no reason to believe this will be one of those cases. There is no indication that this will be a new product line -- all that TiVo is said is that it will be a cost-reduced version of the S3.
Look, I don't care if you get your hopes up only to see them dashed by reality. Just don't complain about it when it happens.
However, that's exactly the angle that TiVo can market to -- those folks who want to stop the $10/mo fee (reducing it down to just $3/mo). If the S3-lite is inexpensive enough up-front, a lot of people may jump at the chance to reduce their contribution to their cable company's bottom line, just out of spite if nothing else.
I must have missed something here. Whether you buy a TiVo for $50 or for $800, right now you can't avoid a monthly fee much much higher than $3. I see monthly plans of $13, $15, $17. I see prepaid of $15 or $8.3.
Where is this $3/mo number coming from???
I skimmed through this post, so excuse me if I missed this. Tivo could drop the external eSATA connector. Sure, it wouldn't save them much money, but I think their "lite" version must be very different from the "regular" S3. Perhaps they'll drop cable card support and add back in cable box control. Drop the front buttons and OLED. Drop OTA tuner. Now you have a nice "starter" HD box for those on a budget, and you could still work on convincing people to move up to the regular S3 instead. A bit of bait and switch.
I will say that it's funny to me that all of this is about the cost of the box, rather than the expense of the service, which is basically the same across the board. I think Tivo should offer 2 SERVICE levels. The "Lite" level could leave out certain features, maybe less guide data, etc. Sure they'd have to be careful not to cannibalize their "regular" service, but it could be possible. Get people hooked on the $5/mo "lite" service and then work on selling them something better.
Just a thought or two.
Re monthly fee: - I currently pay $5.99 for DVR service with D*. The Tivo S3 3yr pre-pay option is $8.31/mo, so +$2.32 - big deal. if you want to record with a CE device, you have to pay for the service. Plus w/ the pre-pay, it locks you into a fixed rate with no chance for an increase during the 3 yrs. You can bet that's not the case with DBS or cable.
In addition to Scientific Atlanta / Cisco ... BigBand, Tandberg (being aquired by Ericsson), C-Cor, Harmonic, and Motorola (partly through some aquisitions) are all in the SDV space ... probably more ... or maybe less ... hard to keep up with all the aquisitions. For example, I seem to remember RGB Networks (which Comcast's investment arm, Comcast Interactive Capital, has put money into) being in the space too.
BigBand is probably the most linked to SDV. Been talking about it forever ... focused on it while other vendors were pitching other bandwidth enhancements as preferable ... with the CableVision deal, the largest announced deployment (most other cable companies are being rather cagey about vendor-specifics).
Oh, and several claim "open" standards ... in fact, they argue over who has the most "open" standard ... and most portable ... and most efficient ... and, well, just about any other checkbox / attribute that a salesman / vendor can argue about:
I use "BOTH"....and I'm sure I'm not alone.