TIVO Series 3 lite vs Today's TIVO S3

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by dtsfanohio, May 31, 2007.

  1. May 31, 2007 #21 of 101
    Greeble

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    Maybe the lite will only be able to decode Mpeg2 and not h.264 and the MS format.
     
  2. May 31, 2007 #22 of 101
    davezatz

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    7-07 is the separable security requirement. Any CableCARD does the trick, doesn't have to be a "M-Card." Also this requirement pertains to most cable operators, not TiVo. Though I imagine anything they build at this time would support CableCARDs, though it probably would be the most expensive part of a "Lite" box.
     
  3. May 31, 2007 #23 of 101
    davecramer74

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    well from readin that arcticle, it seems there is some kind of standard in place hardware wise. It explicitly states that they will support interactive and VOD. Why wouldnt tivo follow suit with their upcoming box? it would seem logical that they do.
     
  4. May 31, 2007 #24 of 101
    ah30k

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    Dave, see post #20.
     
  5. May 31, 2007 #25 of 101
    davecramer74

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    ya i caught that, but the new one isnt going to be an s3 is it? If their new box is bi-directional, not unidirectional, it wouldnt fall under that umbrella would it?

    So your essentially saying, this box is going to be unidirectional. that sucks.
     
  6. May 31, 2007 #26 of 101
    MediaLivingRoom

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    did a post just got deleted?
     
  7. May 31, 2007 #27 of 101
    ah30k

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    Note that the only device type that allows bi-directional comm is the fourth type OpenCable Host (or some name like that) which requires the host device to relinquish user interface to the cable operator. At least it required it last year, maybe it changed.
     
  8. May 31, 2007 #28 of 101
    davecramer74

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    well, you can read about it here...

    http://www.opencable.com/primer/cablecard_primer.html

    i guess im not understanding is why the new tivo wouldnt be a open cable 2.0 device. Anyone have a contact with any of the tivo developers that visit this site to answer what type of device the new one will be? wouldnt it make sense to make this a open cable 2.0 device?
     
  9. May 31, 2007 #29 of 101
    dt_dc

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    It's a license agreement ... not a regulation.

    And UDCPs can (technically) contain hardware capable of upstream communication ... and still be complaint with the DFAST license ... they just can't actually use it (to try and communicate upstream via the cable plant). Something that was brought up a few times at the FCC. CEA / IT / PC groups (including Tivo if memory serves) were concerned that the DFAST license terms could be broadly used to exclude any product with DOCSIS modems and other hardware that could potentially be used for upstream communications. NCTA clarified this several times. For example:
    http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6514082191
    That being said ...
    is not some simplistic "slap in a couple chips just in case" exercise that many people seem to think / envision.
     
  10. May 31, 2007 #30 of 101
    ah30k

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    Thanks for the update dt_dc. I knew my info may have been a little dated.
     
  11. May 31, 2007 #31 of 101
    dt_dc

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    No. Not unless you're just interested in selling hardware.

    Same issues as always ... an OpenCable (two-way) host isn't going to run Tivo software ... with Tivo functionality (unless the cable company has made a deal with Tivo). It's going to run the DVR software and guide provided by your cable company. So unless you're Samsung or Panasonic and just want to sell boxes ... no, it really wouldn't make sense for Tivo to make a two-way host. Then again, if Tivo makes a deal with the cable company to provide their software well ... it'll run on those Samsung and Panasonic boxes so ... again, not much sense in Tivo making an OpenCable (two-way) host. And, OpenCable (two-way) hosts aren't going to be supported on the majority of cable plants untill sometime in the unspecified future anway so ... again, no, it really wouldn't make sense for Tivo to make a two-way host.
     
  12. May 31, 2007 #32 of 101
    mikesown

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    Making a tivo series3 lite would be easy. Just:
    - Eliminate the OTA tuner(most people use cablecards anyway)
    - Eliminate analog cable tuner(again, who uses this?)
    - Lower the hard drive space

    I would not strip a tuner out, as this is becomming a necessity for DVRs as a lot of shows play at the same time. This would yield a perfect DVR which could be subsidized to be very cheap, and maybe even free(with rebates, and commitments).
     
  13. May 31, 2007 #33 of 101
    davecramer74

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    which it seems tivo opted to just put their software on the cable devices instead of going with the opencable standard. ok, thanks dt, that clears some things up. Not that im happy with the clearity.
     
  14. May 31, 2007 #34 of 101
    HiDefGator

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    With SDV on the horizon I would hope they aren't making another box that can't possibly work with it. If that is harder than slapping in some more chips than so be it. It has to be done.
     
  15. May 31, 2007 #35 of 101
    mrmike

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    Given that every vendor has a different mechanism for SDV, this is very unlikely without substantial partnership with TWC, Comcast, etc. I don't really see it happening.
     
  16. May 31, 2007 #36 of 101
    dt_dc

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    Tivo / Comcast / Cox have said that they are using the TVWorks TVNav middleware platform. Using TVNav allows them to build an app they can deploy to existing, already deployed boxes today ... and (should) allow then to (somewhat easily) port that to something that can be deployed on OCAP based OpenCable two-way hosts. An "OnRamp to OCAP" (seriously, that's what it's called) approach ... Tivo's following a path that will allow them to sell their software to the cable companies to be deployed on those OCAP based OpenCable two-way hosts from Samsung, Panasonic, et. al. Those boxes and services, however, are still a ways from getting realistically widely deployed. Happening ... but ... slowly.

    So yes, Tivo is following a path that will allow them to go with the OpenCable standard ...

    However, for a box from Tivo ... expected to be running Tivo software and such ... ie, the "S3 Lite" ... it just doesn't make much sense (at this point) to make it an OpenCable two-way host ...
     
  17. May 31, 2007 #37 of 101
    dt_dc

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    FCC requirements ...
    Also, the CableLabs UDCP requirements require analog cable reception.
     
  18. May 31, 2007 #38 of 101
    bicker

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    The article could be mistaken.
     
  19. May 31, 2007 #39 of 101
    bicker

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    Remember, this is S3-lite, not S4. So don't expect it to have any capabilities that the S3 doesn't have. Indications are that this will not be a wholly new design, but rather a cost-reduced version of the current design.
     
  20. May 31, 2007 #40 of 101
    rmassey

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    ^^^ so how does this differ from a Cable DVR, other than the Tivo UI?

    Yuk, not IMO - I say keep dual OTA tuners and drop the CC crapola. Heck give it an HDMI input if you want to record cable or DBS. and boost the HD to 500 gb while keeping eSata too.
     

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