Tivo Requests FCC Waiver: New Devices!

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  1. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Yup. There are about 30 stations in my lineup that are analog only. Only a few I actually watch, but it still sucks. I'd be happy with SD simulcast just so I could use my Elite for everything rather then having to keep a 2 tuner unit around just for the analog stuff.

    Edit: What's really silly is that they switched us to SDV a few years ago but didn't change the lineup at all. They moved most of the digital channels to SDV, requiring the TA to get, but I have no idea what they did with the extra bandwidth. They must have dedicated it to VOD or internet because we haven't got a lineup change since 2009.
     
  2. ncbill

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    I'd love for analog cable to magically convert to digital, but it's all that's available up in our cabin the mountains (Charter).

    We pay $30/month for 20 channels that look like a 2nd-generation VHS copy.

    AFAIK there is no FCC time-table to force a sunset of analog cable.
     
  3. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Actually there was a mandate forcing them to do the opposite. Until Dec 12th, 2012 they were required to have analog versions of all "must carry" channels. Now that the mandate has ended they can begin the transition to digital.

    Why some cable companies, like ours, continue to broadcast more then just "must carry" channels in analog is beyond me. Seems like a waste of bandwidth. Plus if they can force everyone to rent a box then they're essentially getting an outlet fee for each TV and preventing signal theft. Seems like a win all around for them.
     
  4. mattack

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    By that argument, we shouldn't have CableCards, since *maybe* the cable companies would've invented magic TVs that pop in front of our eyes wherever we are, instead of having to be saddled with supporting CableCards.

    Yes, I'm being ridiculous on purpose.
     
  5. mattack

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    Hey, I completely agree that *when it works*, digital looks far better than analog. But digital compression artifacts still bug me WAY more than analog artifacts, and it's much easier to "just split the signal" to more TVs with analog since you just get a slightly worse picture, not as quickly to the so bad it's unusable picture. (Though as a counterexample to myself, due to water intrusion, one of our cable channels got SO bad so slowly years ago it's amazing how unusable it was before I complained.)
     
  6. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Apples and oranges. Without CableCARDs there would be no consumer choice. You'd be stuck rent a box from the cable company for every TV in the house.

    Analog tuners on the other hand are only required by a tiny fraction of potential TiVo customers and adding them to support that group would raise the costs, and complexity, of the device significantly.

    Plus converting to all digital is in the best interest of the cable companies. They can fit 10-12 SD and 2-3 HD channels into the same bandwidth used for a single analog channel. Plus with an all digital lineup they can charge for a box at every TV and essentially stop signal theft. The fact that any MSOs still broadcast in analog is just silly.
     
  7. Bigg

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    Wow, that is back-asswards.

    Sort of. Some companies got around it somehow, with DTAs or clear QAM maybe? TWC in NYC was one of the early companies to go all-digital, well before that time. That was a really dumb requirement, as the cable companies' boxes can connect to TVs through RF or composite, for those people living back in the '90s.

    Analog is a mess. Why would they want you to be able to split when they get a fee for each box you have?

    Exactly. It's incredible the bandwidth savings. Analog is so antiquated, it's amazing cable companies are still using it.
     
  8. tivogurl

    tivogurl New Member

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    Features? I'd be happy if they fixed bugs they've been ignoring half a decade or more.
     
  9. grey ghost

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    How long does the "comment" phase last?
     
  10. BigJimOutlaw

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    All told, 1 month from the date they officially sought comment - April 18th.

    As of yet, no replies (if any were filed) have been posted.
     
  11. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    According to the link the public has until 4/8 to file comments and then TiVo has until 4/18 to reply to those comments. After that the commission reads the comments and replies and makes a decision. Last time it took 90 days start to finish. However TiVo put a special rush on the request. They did not add the rush this time so the commission may or may not take longer to make their ruling.

    Either way I'm still betting it's late August or early September before anything hits the streets. Although we might get a sneak peak at what they're working on at the cable show next month. (that's where they showed the Stream and Mini last year)
     
  12. innocentfreak

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    I forgot about the cable show next month. We should see the 6 tuner if they plan on pushing it to MSOs.

    I would hope for an August September release, but I would say probably more mid-late October. I think it will be out in time for the holidays unless some major issue pops up.
     
  13. grey ghost

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    If Tivo was smart, they would have their new machines out in June or July before the start of the TV season, not in mid-fall. This is the kind of thing you buy for yourself, not necessarily a gift type item. You want it, you're tired of conflicts, so you go buy it.
     
  14. NotNowChief

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    I can't wait until we start having "BIGFOOT" sightings.

    The Mini was a Unicorn.
    The Series 5 is Bigfoot.
     
  15. Bigg

    Bigg Cord Cutter

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    Holidays of what year?
     
  16. NotNowChief

    NotNowChief Addicted to TiVo

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    LOL

    The truth hurts, but sometimes you just have to laugh at it.
     
  17. Apr 5, 2013 #117 of 169
    Series3Sub

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    Yeah, the cruel irony of the FCC allowing low powered with the digital conversion. There should have been support for the low powered channels to migrate to a main digital mux like a .2 or etc. Of course manufactures want to cut analog support. Bad news for low powered analogs. However, I would support TiVo dropping analog as cable is ditching it for their TV service, anyway, but I totally disagreed with the FCC's decision to allow TiVo to dump digital OTA from its "4" models. We taxpayers paid for that big conversion and there are quite a few who do watch OTA, not just TiVo subs. Shame on the FCC on that one.
     
  18. Apr 5, 2013 #118 of 169
    aaronwt

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    I applaud the FCC for that decision.
     
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    BigJimOutlaw

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    I don't believe there are laws mandating digital OTA support other than for televisions. So that was Tivo's choice. The waivers were/are just for analog specifically.
     
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    TiVo'Brien

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    Hope so! :up:

    My lifetimed Series 3 died last week, so now I'm renting a crappy Cisco DVR from Brighthouse until I see what TiVo is going to offer. I miss Mr. T already. :(
     

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