Tivo Requests FCC Waiver: New Devices!

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  1. Feb 14, 2013 #81 of 169
    CoxInPHX

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    Are you paying for the Cable service in FL while you are in Canada? If not Comcast will require you to return the CableCARD.
     
  2. Feb 16, 2013 #82 of 169
    andrew1883

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    Good point, actually it's included in the condo fees (including 2xHD and 2xDTA) and I traded in a Comcast HD box for the CableCard. So I'm hoping I can keep the CC the same way the HD boxes sat in the house. I'll hook up the other HD box in the LR for any relatives who drop by in the summer (there's only one flatscreen TV, the other is a CRT).

    Thanks for flagging that though.

    =aw
     
  3. Feb 16, 2013 #83 of 169
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    Just remember it won't work if you're holding it wrong. :)
     
  4. Feb 18, 2013 #84 of 169
    Dan203

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    I don't know. I'm paraphrasing something I read posted by jafa. I wish I could find the post, but I can't seem to track it down.
     
  5. Feb 18, 2013 #85 of 169
    innocentfreak

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    From a Media Center thread.


     
  6. Feb 18, 2013 #86 of 169
    atmuscarella

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    The problem with ATSC/8VSB isn't that the market is small, every new TV sold in the US has a ATSC tuner. The problem is there is very very small market for multi tuner devices all we have are multi tuner OTA DVRs or a TV still offering picture in a picture via a dual tuner which I am not even sure exists anymore.

    Hopefully some of the development done for QAM is easily portable to ATSC and we will get a 4 tuner QAM/ATSC DVR that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
     
  7. Feb 18, 2013 #87 of 169
    Dan203

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    That's the one I was looking for. :up:
     
  8. Feb 18, 2013 #88 of 169
    Bigg

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    WHOA!

    Yeah, I can get dropping analog, but you'd think they'd go to ATSC-8VSB and ATSC-QAM supported on a single chip, as it would give product makers a lot more flexibility.
     
  9. Mar 18, 2013 #89 of 169
    Dan203

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  11. Mar 18, 2013 #91 of 169
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Nice. Thanks for the heads up.
     
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  13. Mar 21, 2013 #93 of 169
    innocentfreak

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    If you look through the old comments, you will see it is everything from consumers to cable companies. Last time most of them had no real issues with the request, but it wasn't as open as this request.
     
  14. Mar 21, 2013 #94 of 169
    Dan203

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    I doubt anyone is going to object. TiVo has precedent now. If anyone was going to object they would have done it the first time through. TiVo has proven that they can sell a digital only box without much consumer confusion and their data shows that a good percentage of their customers don't even use the analog hardware in the devices that have it.

    That being said the FCC might still require them to submit specific hardware model numbers so that it's not completely open ended like TiVo wants.
     
  15. Mar 21, 2013 #95 of 169
    innocentfreak

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    I think last time they only objected over the wording on some of the advertising materials. The NCTA and cable companies might have commented with regards they didn't support a rule change but since TiVo wasn't asking for it they saw no issue with the request from TiVo.

    They are an interesting read if you haven't read them since it just gives you a little insight into the positioning one has to do.
     
  16. Mar 21, 2013 #96 of 169
    Bigg

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    It's kind of sad that because TiVo is the only mass-market CableCard product out there, the FCC has to make an individual decision for them. It's pretty clear on the Ceton/ SiliconDust side that the geeks who use those setups are well aware of what they need.
     
  17. Mar 21, 2013 #97 of 169
    innocentfreak

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    This isn't really a TiVo thing though. It is a consumer TV device requirement. The one group that has a flat exemption is the cable operators since they only have to support their network so if they don't offer analog they don't have to include the tuners. This is the same reason TVs still have the tuners they do otherwise they have to market it as a monitor.
     
  18. Mar 21, 2013 #98 of 169
    mattack

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    If I still had usable analog channels, I'd probably object.
     
  19. Mar 22, 2013 #99 of 169
    Dan203

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    I still have analog channels and I don't care. At this point it's the cable companies fault for still using antiquated technology not TiVo's. You can't hold back progress just because a few cable companies are still using analog.
     
  20. Bigg

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    It shouldn't be a TiVo thing, but it is, as it's the only product that this sort of thing applies to. There are no other mass-market CableCard devices, other than SiliconDust and Ceton, which have a totally different audience that is much more likely to know their ATSC-QAM from their NTSC from their ATSC-8VSB. It also really doesn't affect WMC users, as they can throw a couple of old NTSC tuners cards in to run along side their Ceton and SiliconDust tuners if need be.

    Yup. Very few have channels that are only analog. A fair number still seem to be wasting bandwidth on simulcast digital/analog channels. Do you have analog channels that aren't available in any digital format, even HD? I could see not simulcasting analog channels that are available in HD, as then TiVo users would just not have an SD version (big loss there), but not having a digital version at all is nuts. That, and the quality must really suck. Well, really, having analog at all is flat out nuts, as it is so inefficient. That's one thing Comcast is doing right, they finally said enough is enough and moved on.
     

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