Tivo Requests FCC Waiver: New Devices!

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  1. Feb 11, 2013 #61 of 169
    P42

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    My vote is for a TiVo 4S ;)
     
  2. Feb 12, 2013 #62 of 169
    Arcady

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    I think they should get rid of the Premiere name (because half the people who own one can't spell it) and get rid of the Series 4 model (because people can't keep Series 4 and Premiere 4 differentiated.)

    Come up with a new name, label the boxes for what they actually do (Tivo 2, Tivo 4, Tivo 6) and add a number at the end that shows how many hours it records (Tivo 2 75, Tivo 4 150, Tivo 6 300.)
     
  3. Feb 12, 2013 #63 of 169
    Arcady

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    If they steal Apple product names, then they would have to issue bug fixes in less than 18 months, unlike now.
     
  4. Feb 12, 2013 #64 of 169
    lrhorer

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    It's definitely on its last gasp. OTOH, my roommate does feed the antenna input of the Series III in her room with the NTSC output of a DVD player so she can watch DVDs.
     
  5. Feb 12, 2013 #65 of 169
    Philmatic

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    I don't know if it was as minor as you are suggesting, in addition to HD and CableCard, it also introduced QAM, ATSC and integrated Ethernet as standard (I know some S2's included ethernet, but it became standard across all models). Those are huge by any measure, but when you include HD and CableCard, I would say it was the single largest evolution in TiVo's history.
     
  6. Feb 12, 2013 #66 of 169
    Dan203

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    If they get rid of analog that wont work. AFAIK there are no RF modulators that generate an ATSC signal.
     
  7. Feb 12, 2013 #67 of 169
    Dan203

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    All of the steps where pretty major. The smallest was probably S3 to S4. Hardware wise all that really changed was the chipset. The barely even usable initial release of the HDUI was really the only reason they even called it a S4.
     
  8. Feb 12, 2013 #68 of 169
    rainwater

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    Huh? That makes no sense. The Premiere branding is here to stay for at least another generation whether they move to a Series5 or not.
     
  9. Feb 12, 2013 #69 of 169
    Jonathan_S

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    The 'S' stands for (built in) streaming; no of course we didn't rip off the iPhone model number.
    But that is an interesting coincidence now that you point it out. ;)
     
  10. Feb 12, 2013 #70 of 169
    Bigg

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    Are there 6-tuner setups that can do ATSC-8VSB and ATSC-QAM? I feel like everything over 2 is QAM-only, which is weird, since ATSC-8VSB signals are the exact same, just modulated differently.

    6 tuners, a built-in Stream, and support for up to 5 Minis with dynamic tuner allocation would be killer.

    Auto commercial skip would be amazing, but I feel like they can already do that, they just don't have any way to enable it, as it would be lawsuit city. Maybe they will flip the switch when Charlie Ergen clears the legal path for them (wouldn't that be ironic, after they patent trolled him hardcore).

    There is a market that still needs analog, although it may very well be shrinking faster than the market of used dual-tuner Premieres and S3s is popping up on Ebay, so maybe it's just time to let analog die off.
     
  11. Feb 12, 2013 #71 of 169
    Dan203

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    Jafa, a member here who invented the HDHomerun, commented on this once. He said that for QAM there are chips with 4 or 6 "tuners" built in but for ATSC you can still only get chips with 2 "tuners". So to make a 4 or 6 tuner ATSC device you have to use multiple chips which gets complicated and expensive.
     
  12. Feb 12, 2013 #72 of 169
    innocentfreak

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    Is there an assigned proceeding number yet for the TiVo waiver? I see it under MB 12-1 but that seems to be general filings. I am guessing the FCC has not put it up for comments yet. I just want to make sure I have a RSS feed in case anyone replies since I find them fun to read.
     
  13. Feb 12, 2013 #73 of 169
    MichaelK

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    that sounds cool- can you post a link when you figure it out?
     
  14. Feb 12, 2013 #74 of 169
    innocentfreak

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  15. Feb 12, 2013 #75 of 169
    ghiggz

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    Does this mean I should return the entry-level Premiere I just bought?
     
  16. Feb 13, 2013 #76 of 169
    Dan203

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    We have no idea when the devices they're trying to cover with this waiver will be released or how long the waiver process will take. So unless you want to be without a TiVo for however long that takes you should probably hold on to that Premiere.
     
  17. Feb 13, 2013 #77 of 169
    Bigg

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    Gotcha. So nobody made the chips. Ironic. They should do like a 10-tuner chip with either 10 ATSC tuners (overkill), or 6 CableCard, and 4 ClearQAM. That would be a killer DVR.
     
  18. Feb 13, 2013 #78 of 169
    Dan203

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    I think explained that QAM is used all over the world, but ATSC is only used here in the US, and is not even very popular here, so there is no real incentive for them to create more then a 2x ATSC chip but there is lots of incentive for bigger QAM chips.
     
  19. Feb 13, 2013 #79 of 169
    Bigg

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    Don't the Canadians use ATSC-8VSB as well? Can the same chips handle ATSC-QAM, and 8mhz QAM channels over in Europe?
     
  20. Feb 14, 2013 #80 of 169
    andrew1883

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    I probably could afford another TiVo (though it's not _my_ house in FL) but I would prefer not to.

    I'm happy to take the TiVo where I am, when the only cost is to re-run Guided Setup. A couple of years ago, I actually re-ran it on the S2 before leaving home, and updated program info, so that when I plugged it in again it was ready to start recording at the new location, even before the internet was working. Not a big deal but I was happy when some minor cleverness actually worked out as expected. :)

    Thanks for the info on the CC, I don't want to lose that association and deal with kabletown again next fall. Their CS get worse every year. :(

    =aw
     

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