Tivo Plus(?)

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  1. Sep 18, 2019 #41 of 310
    Charles R

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    I never understand why Roku is treated as a Gold standard (someone to emulate). As an example today their stock is roughly down 15% (as of this post)... last Tuesday down 10%... they have had a "great" run up but reality will set in as the market matures.
     
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  2. Sep 18, 2019 #42 of 310
    Sparky1234

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    Oh, great, live TV.
     
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    Dan203

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    They've stagnated. When they first came out they were the first cheap streaming box, but now they're just one of many and have a proprietary platform that developers have to support.

    I suspect that in the end the streaming boxes will fall to the same paradigm as phones/tablets. There will be Apple, Android and Amazon with their "it's basically Android with a different store". These services are sick of having to maintain 8 different versions of their app for all the various devices.
     
  4. Sep 18, 2019 #44 of 310
    foghorn2

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    I loved Roku when they sold Audio streamers, thats how they started. Their hockey puck video streamers are junk, cant even browse web videos or put kodi on it or play mpeg 2 vobs /DVD isos like you can with the FireStick.
     
  5. Sep 18, 2019 #45 of 310
    humbb

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    Today's Roku stock drop was linked to this story.
     
  6. Sep 19, 2019 #46 of 310
    Sparky1234

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    Or was it linked to this webpage? Spooky!
     
  7. Sep 19, 2019 #47 of 310
    NashGuy

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    Yeah, Comcast has stated that they want their X1 platform to rival Roku in terms of the breadth of apps it supports. (Although they're not ever going to let apps for competing cable channel services, like YouTube TV and PS Vue, on X1.) And X1 is getting there. It landed Prime Video awhile back and will soon have Hulu (a version of the app that just offers the core on-demand service, not the live TV or premium add-ons). Of course it will have Comcast/NBCU's own Peacock app when it launches next spring. Will be very interesting to see if X1 will land the apps (and distribution/billing) for Disney+ and HBO Max.

    At any rate, Comcast is now giving away one free X1 streaming box rental to their broadband-only subs if they also rent a Comcast modem/router gateway (a $13/mo charge where I live). And it's a pretty nice streamer, with 4K HDR, a full-featured voice remote, and a cross-app unified watchlist that even supports Netflix. Has a dedicated section for free content and another that pulls together all the live channels you might get from across various free and paid apps/services into one grid guide. And no tacky ads on the home screen like Roku has.

    I really could see this free streamer pulling some folks away from Roku and Fire TV. Comcast is the most popular broadband provider in the country.
     
  8. Sep 19, 2019 #48 of 310
    OrangeCrush

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    I don't know about calling Roku a gold standard, but they presently have close to 50% of the OTT streaming device market and more or less created that entire market segment. TiVo was in a far better position to do that circa 2009 but missed the opportunity completely. They sorta tried with the Premiere & Roamio but were too expensive and too late to market to get significant market share.

    I say this while pointing out that Roku's success isn't for any particular technical advantage over its competitors, most of which have better hardware and software powering their devices. Roku won its market share largely for being content agnostic and staying out of the various pissing matches between technology, content and retail heavyweights.
     
  9. Sep 19, 2019 #49 of 310
    BigJimOutlaw

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    The relevant Tivo Plus portions from this article:

    TiVo, the digital video recorder from the 2000s, wants to make a comeback - CNN

    - October
    - Recommends stuff you subscribe to, similar to Apple TV
    - will include VOD from Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, YouTube, Xumo, Jukin Media, and newspaper publisher Gannett. More announced in October.
    - Still in talks to add other services, like NBC, SlingTV and TikTok.
    - Will also be available on a $50 Android dongle coming next year.

     
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  10. Sep 19, 2019 #50 of 310
    cwoody222

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    What’s this dongle gonna do? Run Android TV and have the TiVo Plus app which does what exactly? Just recommends programming and combines programming sources into a single guide?

    So like Roku? Or FireTV? Besides the TiVo name what distinguishes this?

    Will this also play recordings from a TiVo DVR?

    Is this supposed to attract non TiVo users? Is it supposed to try to convert them into DVR users?

    I don’t get the point of this dongle.
     
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  11. Sep 19, 2019 #51 of 310
    tomhorsley

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    So does TiVo, doesn't mean they'll be competent enough to do it, or attractive enough to get zillions of streaming services to support their box (though if they run android, and can simply load the phone apps, that might help).
     
  12. Sep 19, 2019 #52 of 310
    cwoody222

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    They can’t just load the phone apps, can they?

    I thought the Android TV apps need to support the “lean back” UI and remote control operation.
     
  13. Sep 19, 2019 #53 of 310
    NashGuy

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    Well, the difference between TiVo and Comcast's X1 are, I'd say, over 10 million more users that X1 has in the US. At the end of the day, it's not really about being technologically competent, it's about having enough users to make your platform a worthwhile destination for app developers/streaming service providers. (That said, Comcast is no slouch, technologically speaking. They've got quite a lot of talent working in their labs.)
     
  14. Sep 19, 2019 #54 of 310
    trip1eX

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    Dongle sounds like a Fire TV stick (clone) that also receive streams from a Tivo DVR.
     
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  15. Sep 19, 2019 #55 of 310
    NashGuy

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    This is the big question I have. What exactly will this $50 dongle from TiVo look like? The article says it is "built to run on Google's Android TV". OK. Well, at least so far, Google has only allowed companies that license their Android TV operating system a small amount of leeway in terms of modifying the home screen UI when it comes to retail devices. (Devices made for pay TV operators to distribute to their customers are an entirely different story. They qualify for Google's "Android TV Operator Tier" program, which allows them to completely to-do the home screen.)

    So will this TiVo Android TV dongle basically have the same standard home screen UI as, say, the Nvidia Shield TV or the Mi Box S, but with the new TiVo+ app pre-installed? In this case, Google is still controlling the overall look and feel and Google (not TiVo) is in charge of system-wide content recommendations.

    Or will it instead feature the native TiVo Hydra UI on the home screen, with TiVo taking over from Google the main duties of suggesting content across various third-party apps and services? (This is how the TiVo Android TV boxes for their IPTV operator partners work.)

    The only sentence that kinda sorta touches on that question in the CNN story is this:

    The dongle can be plugged into the back of a TV and will load up TiVo's service for broadband customers and also use AI to make recommendations, similar to TiVo Plus, but as a hardware solution.
    OK! So... clear as mud.

    At the very least, I would expect this new dongle from TiVo to connect to any TiVo DVRs on the same network and act as a Mini. (In other words, it will have the forthcoming TiVo app for streaming devices built in.)
     
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  16. Sep 19, 2019 #56 of 310
    compnurd

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    Damn shame you didn’t predict this release
     
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  17. Sep 19, 2019 #57 of 310
    NashGuy

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    I've been calling on TiVo to adopt either Google Android TV or open-source Android for over three years now.

    Oh Crap - Rovi buys TiVo?
     
  18. Sep 19, 2019 #58 of 310
    compnurd

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    Hell of a reach on that one
     
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    trip1eX

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    NashGuy

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    Not really. Do a search for posts by NashGuy with the text string "Android TV" and you'll see a ton. I didn't necessarily PREDICT that they'd roll out an Android TV device but I repeatedly said that they SHOULD do so if they wanted to offer a device with a decent app platform.
     
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