Tivo Plus(?)

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  1. Sep 13, 2019 #21 of 157
    d_anders

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    Completely fishing here, but I could see this as a rebranded “Mini” running on Android TV.

    This would allow them to release a retail based Android box right away that bests streams content from the core console (Bolt or Edge) and also provide the best integration to work with other streaming services.

    Makes sense, let the consoles handle in home recording of cable or OTA feeds, and maximize the streaming experience on the TiVo Plus (rebranded Mini).

    If you think about it, this is a step towards tapping into a TiVo cloud DVR service or continuing to use a home based TiVo DVR.

    It also is closer to the Amazon model (which is their closest competition).

    FireTV Recast + FireTV Stick/Box
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    TiVo DVR + TiVo Plus (aka Mini on Android)

    Anyway, my $2 bet is on.



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  2. Sep 14, 2019 #22 of 157
    jaselzer

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    I certainly hope that whatever they announce in October does not take the same amount of time to be actually released as the mini wireless adapter, as in NEVER!

    But perhaps you are right. Maybe it's a mini Android box that can be read by the TiVo Edge. And maybe the wireless adapter is being announced at the same time to go with the new mini Android box?

    Any of you tech guys know whether such a thing is possible?

    Pure speculation
     
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  3. Sep 14, 2019 #23 of 157
    Dan203

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    A mini android box would likely have built in wifi.
     
  4. Sep 14, 2019 #24 of 157
    NashGuy

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    The problem I see with such a proposed product is that, in order to have access to the Google Play app store with all its Android TV apps, then this Mini/Plus box would need to be running Google's Android TV operating system. If it just ran TiVo's own implementation of open-source Android, it wouldn't have access to Google's app store. (This is what Amazon did with their own Fire TV but Amazon was early enough and powerful enough to develop their own Amazon app store.)

    OK, so then let's say this box does in fact run Google Android TV. Google won't let TiVo (or anyone else) heavily customize the home screen on a retail device. Pay TV operators and manufacturers of pay TV boxes ARE allowed to customize Google's home screen in that way. That's why TiVo can offer IPTV operators custom boxes with their Hydra UI on the home screen even though the boxes are running Google Android TV. But I don't think Google would allow them to sell such devices to the public.

    So in that case, we're left with TiVo simply selling a standard Google Android TV box like the Mi Box S or the eMatic Jetstream. Sure, it could come with a TiVo *app* pre-installed, sitting there on the home screen, but TiVo wouldn't be able to "take over" the whole home screen.
     
  5. Sep 15, 2019 #25 of 157
    tallmomof2

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    Anne Tivo+ will add TV Everywhere support.
     
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  6. Sep 15, 2019 #26 of 157
    BillyClyde

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    That was my thought as well, a la’ the Channels DVR app.

    I do like the Android TV idea as well, even moreso actually.
     
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  7. Sep 16, 2019 #27 of 157
    d_anders

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    Who knows what TiVo Plus will be. From other discussions, there is speculation that TiVo Plus may be a channel subscription model similar to Amazon, etc in order to drive services revenue...who knows

    I like my Mini/TiVo Plus idea more...


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  8. Sep 17, 2019 #28 of 157
    BigJimOutlaw

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    "While TiVo+ appears to be initially launching as something akin to the The Roku Channel or a Tubi-esque app of ad-supported video, it seems quite likely that the functionality is destined for much deeper integration"

    TiVo+ Video Streaming Launches Next Month
     
  9. Sep 17, 2019 #29 of 157
    NashGuy

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    This sounds like something that will be greeted with a collective yawn by most TiVo users. Sure, having a new app on TiVo, something along the lines of Tubi or Crackle, featuring free popular content is nice but the average TiVo user seems pretty allergic to watching ads. And serving up ads is the whole rationale behind TiVo+, it sounds like. Which makes sense, because if the content is free, well, they gotta make money on it somehow.

    Beyond that, it sounds like this is just the first step in a larger plan that TiVo may follow to make money from advertising as opposed to (or in addition to) subscription fees. As in offering a DVR which doesn't have a service fee (either monthly or lifetime) for access to the program guide and the ability to record shows from linear channels, but which will force you to watch ads when playing back recordings.

    I think the plan would be for TiVo to replace the recorded ads with different ones that they sell to advertisers, with the ads injected in the recordings via internet connection. (This, by the way, is how cloud DVR services from cable TV providers will all work.) Maybe they could get some cord-cutting OTA viewers to use such a TiVo with free DVR service. Would depend on how much the up-front cost for the hardware is. Price it the same as, say, an HDHomeRun OTA tuner (about $80), and then allow them to access the whole set-up for live and recorded OTA TV via the new TiVo apps on the streaming devices they already use (Roku, etc.) -- I could see that getting some takers. Whether it could get enough to matter for TiVo's future, I'm not sure. And frankly I can't see any cable TV subscribers buying a TiVo and opting for free ad-supported DVR service rather than just paying the monthly or lifetime fee. Those folks are already forking out a decent amount for pay TV. What's a little more in order to be able to skip past all those ads?
     
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  10. Sep 17, 2019 #30 of 157
    Tony_T

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    "… and I’m told TiVo has actually tested running ads alongside DVR recordings. Which sounds quite obnoxious (and somewhere ironic, given Auto Skip)"
     
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  11. Sep 17, 2019 #31 of 157
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Now that we know what it is, it reminds me of some patents they filed a year or two ago, where they wanted to aggregate web content. Seemed curious at the time.
     
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  12. Sep 17, 2019 #32 of 157
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Yeah that sounds like complete hell, but not so bad if it were in the context of discounted or even free service of some kind.
     
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  13. Sep 17, 2019 #33 of 157
    NashGuy

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    Yeah, I can't believe that they'd try to introduce that kind of thing into the existing paid TiVo service for retail users. Customers would drop the platform FAST. But if it was an option you could take in exchange for free or discounted service (for those who hadn't already paid for lifetime), then sure, options are always nice.
     
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  14. Sep 17, 2019 #34 of 157
    cwoody222

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    So it’s just an app that’s gonna offer some free content, likely with ads?

    Probably something they’re just rebranding.

    A bullet point to add to product lists to entice cord cutters, “thousands of FREE shows and tv from TiVo+!”

    Yawn.
     
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  15. Sep 17, 2019 #35 of 157
    tomhorsley

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    I wonder if they'll be able to get the metadata correct for the Tivo+ programming?
     
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  16. Sep 17, 2019 #36 of 157
    Mikeguy

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    LOL. ;)
     
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  17. Sep 18, 2019 #37 of 157
    Sparky1234

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    Streaming service with monthly fees = income stream for TiVo.
     
  18. Sep 18, 2019 #38 of 157
    NashGuy

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    No, all indications are that this new streaming service, TiVo+, is going to be free. TiVo's income stream will come from unskippable ads embedded in the content.
     
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  19. Sep 18, 2019 #39 of 157
    smark

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    Which is Roku's model that they are probably attempting to mimic.
     
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  20. Sep 18, 2019 #40 of 157
    OrangeCrush

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    TiVo's time to eat Roku's lunch was 10 years ago. That ship has sailed, imo.
     

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