Tivo Plus(?)

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by jaselzer, Sep 10, 2019.

  1. spiderpumpkin

    spiderpumpkin Say no to Hydra!

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    Actually sounds like something Tivo would do.
     
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  2. Adam C.

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    My Roamio OTA and Mini's got Tivo+ today. The BS channels are showing up in the guide on the mini but not the Roamio's guide. They are obnoxious to say the least. Just a few more weeks until Black Friday. Looking forward to switching to Recast.
     
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  3. BillyClyde

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    I would give Channels DVR with an HDHomerun Prime for cable or Quattro for antenna a look-see before committing to the Recast.
     
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  4. Charles R

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    Anyone know the logic/reason why it hits the Mini but not the Roamio itself?.. I know no one does... pure speculation.
     
  5. jrtroo

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

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    Why would you think lifetime would avoid ads? It has never claimed that or stopped any ads from appearing.
     
  6. Noelmel

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    I got TiVo + today (on a Roamio Pro). I have no minis no other boxes. I swear I read that it was only for Series 6 and up (so Bolts and Edges). I do NOT have listings in the guide. Occasionally a glitch of a blank line but that’s been happening since the V5 update. And my version # is still the same. No update. No pending restart. Just appeared. Not even an icon in the big strip on main screen. I only noticed it because I constantly use TiVo #3 (was #5 until last update changed that to Search) as my assigned shortcut for To Do List and it wasn’t working and bringing up a weird screen. So had to reassign it again lol

    No pre roll ads yet either luckily...


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  7. TKnight206

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    Regardless of how we feel about TiVo+, if TiVo wants to enter the streaming business, they shouldn't advertise it in Hydra's channel guide. (Thankfully, I'm on TE3.) The proper place to advertise this sort of thing is in the Discovery Bar.

    Pestering someone to try something is only going to annoy them.

    Like getting Hulu to work with the mini (using TE3)?

    Cable providers renting our TiVos to their customers would count, would it not?
     
  8. Adam C.

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    I spoke too soon. By end of day yesterday my Roamio had the TiVo+ guide ads.
     
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  9. Adam C.

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    Does the Quatro have a hard drive or do you have to connect an external drive? Is the Channels DVR just an app that you would install on a Fire Stick? Is there any ongoing monthly or annual cost? It also seems that you can't stream out of home from what I'm reading.
     
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  10. Pokemon_Dad

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

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    The Quatro is just a four-tuner receiver that puts OTA signals onto your local network. The same company also sells DVRs, but most of us here prefer the Channels Plus DVR software which is easy to set up on a PC, Mac, or NAS.

    Channels works with HD HomeRun tuners, it looks and works better than HD HomeRun software, and yes you can stream out of home using Channels.

    Channels offers apps for Apple TV, Fire TV, iOS, Android, and web, for home or remote access of live and recorded TV. Those apps are free with Channels Plus. See the TiVo Alternatives thread for more info.
     
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  11. mdavej

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    SD has lots of different products now with similar names. There are 2 Quatro models now - Connect and Scribe. The Connect is just a tuner with no storage, and the Scribe has its own internal storage. Same goes for all Connect and Scribe models. I think the internal storage would only function with SD's own DVR app, but I could be mistaken.

    Channels is an app, but it does require a back end for recording, and it does carry a monthly or annual fee.

    I would have thought Channels ability to record streams would have very limited appeal since Youtube already has an unlimited DVR for free. But apparently, from the looks of this thread, there is a big demand to record streams and keep them forever, past Youtube's 9 month expiration.

    I fear that when the TVE providers get wind of this, Channels will get shut down, at least on the recording of streams. Screen scraping is a loophole that hasn't shown up on their radar YET.
     
  12. Pokemon_Dad

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

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    There are other reasons, like when the cloud DVR substitutes a VOD version for something you've recorded, reducing your control of commercials and other features. Still, most people will just give you a blank stare when you tell them they have to set up software on a server, so yes Channels does have limited appeal. But there is a silver lining in there, as Channels continues to fly under the radar of the big TVE providers. Regardless, it's a great OTA solution too, and much better than HD HomeRun's own software.
     
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  13. NashGuy

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    I agree.


    Yes. The number of retail TiVo DVR users fell below 1 million a few years ago (2013, I think), so there must now be over 24 million who use TiVo DVRs from their cable TV provider. (I assume that's a worldwide figure, including the UK, Spain, and elsewhere, where TiVo has deals in place with cable TV operators).

    But TiVo's CEO is saying that they want to grow their current user base from about 25 to 50 million next year after rolling out these new initiatives -- TiVo+ and their upcoming Android TV streaming device. Perhaps some of that growth could come from new cable DVR users but that business hasn't been growing anywhere near that rate. Seemed clear from the interview that he's pinning his hopes for major user growth in 2020 on their new non-DVR efforts.
     
  14. NashGuy

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    I would bet that the general public doesn't have much interest in locally recording and indefinitely storing cable TV (especially with a semi-convoluted server-based set-up like Channels) versus the simplicity and unlimited 9-month storage of YouTube TV. But among long-time TiVo fans (the kind of folks who frequent this forum), yes, many of them favor local (non-cloud) storage. I don't think they're very representative of the general public though.

    Yeah, I've wondered how long it might be before this loophole is closed too. But Channels will always be a niche solution, so it may always be that it's not worth the TVE providers going after them. Doing so would probably mean that they'd have to somehow make it less convenient to access their content via web browsers.
     
  15. Adam C.

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    Agreed. After reading about Channels and the associated media server setup required, plus the annual cost that is associated, this setup would be too cumbersome for my preference.
     
  16. BillyClyde

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    The media server setup is about as easy as loading an app (Channels DVR Sever) on an nVidia Shield, which can also host the server, and plugging in an external HDD.
     
  17. Noelmel

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    I spoke too soon as well today the guide listings have appeared really messing up my 8 favorite channels bumping one to a new page


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  18. TKnight206

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    Internet down? TiVo still works. Comcast X1 doesn't work. Plus, favorite TV shows and movies are another reason for local storage. Just because something was on TV, doesn't mean it will be available to buy on DVD or Blu-Ray.
     
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  19. Charles R

    Charles R Active Member

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    Here is a link to my experience with blocking the ads... Tivo putting junk channles into my Guide
     
  20. NashGuy

    NashGuy Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I'm not saying that there aren't arguments in favor of a local DVR. I'm just saying that I don't think the great majority of consumers really care about those arguments to make them specifically choose a local DVR solution over a cloud DVR if the latter is simpler/cheaper/readily available. (Kind of in the same way that music consumption is all moving to online streaming too, with physical CD sales dying. Check out this animated bar chart. Pretty cool.)
     
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