Tivo Plus(?)

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by jaselzer, Sep 10, 2019.

  1. Nov 2, 2019 #201 of 310

    jmccorm Special Forum Guest

    Oct 8, 2000
    Tulsa, OK
    I emailed a request asking to opt-out of TiVo+. Here's the bulk of the response:

    We apologize for the inconvenience this may cause. Do not worry, we can send this suggestion/feedback to our software engineers. It will be subject for validation and investigation and probably in the next software, we can expect an update.​

    There are a number of different things one might read into this reply. It really boils down to how much trust in you place in TiVo right now. On the surface, it seems positive. They may even be planning to reign this in. If you don't trust TiVo then the proper treatment would be a literal interpretation which turns this into a meaningless reply.

    Aside from that, they gave me an encoded (personal-use) link to advisors.tivo.com to submit my own feedback.

    Last night my TiVo received another update. The only thing different seems to be with the in-Guide advertisement. It no longer stays on the bottom of the screen. Instead it moves up (or down) by one line each time you hit the next page of listings. So that increases the cognitive load required to successfully avoid any faux channel in the listings.

    If I was confused whether TiVo was knowingly promoting TiVo+ at the cost of the user experience, this additional step would have clinched it for me.

    I do wonder if this was planned from the start to be temporary. Perhaps they had an urgent need to meet a contractual obligation for a certain adoption threshold, and that once met they'll back away from this sudden excess in promotion at the cost of usability? Admittedly, I'm just trying to rationalize what seems like an irrational choice.
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  2. Nov 3, 2019 #202 of 310

    jaselzer Active Member

    Sep 10, 2018
    You know I love Tivo. I really and truly do. I have owned Tivos from the very beginning, model after model after model. I even bought an Edge recently to replace my Bolt(overheating is a pain in the ass). It did not bother me to pay for something that practically adds nothing to my existing model. But...............I just want to say that Tivo+ is embarrassing. I am not referring to the placement of the "app". I am simply referring to the content and transport controls(lack of) that is available within Tivo+. Seriously guys, I am simply embarrassed that this is what Tivo was able to come up with. Kind of a desperate attempt to combine Tivo and Cord Cutting.
  3. Nov 3, 2019 #203 of 310

    nrnoble Active Member

    Aug 25, 2004
    That was reaction when I stumbled on it a few days ago. "Alpha" release quality, and the content is nothing that I am interested. So far I am not getting any programming info and no VOD. Strictly streaming programming without any way to determined what currently is being shown or what will be shown in the future. It is true retro 1970s TV, no guide, no way to control the stream, just like 30+ years ago prior to the VCR. In 2019, who just turns on the TV just starts watching unknown content, especially on a Tivo that also has Hulu, NetFlix, Amazon Prime, HBOGO, etc.

    I'm willing to give Tivo some credit, they surely know this did not meet their internal target objective and already have plans to fix these problem. One guess it that for financial reasons they had to release Tivo+ before it was finished. It also could be an "agile" programming project, where the first release is bare bones, but improvements come quickly, as quick as daily updates. Agile development is a concept not to wait until software is fully written and tested before releasing it. Often used in open source projects. In this case its not open source.
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  4. Nov 4, 2019 #204 of 310

    V7Goose OTA ONLY and Loving It!

    May 28, 2005
    New Mexico...
    It is a stupid POOR excuse to start experimenting with more advertising embedded in the Guide. Right now they think they will get away with advertising just their own new crappy apps, but soon they will move on to more unwanted paid advertising that we cannot avoid!

    Bad_Rovi has totally destroyed all the good that WAS TiVo.
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  5. Nov 4, 2019 #205 of 310

    mdavej Well-Known Member

    Aug 13, 2015
    Then why does my Roamio have it?
  6. Nov 4, 2019 #206 of 310
    Adam C.

    Adam C. Active Member

    Jul 24, 2017
    I think the purpose of Tivo+ was really nothing more than a vehicle to sell more advertising. Scoop up a bunch of cheap, low budget programming, throw in some ads and make a few bucks. My time is too valuable for ads. That's why I pay for an ad-free Hulu subscription as well as Amazon Prime. If there is no ad-free option available I don't watch at all.
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  7. Nov 4, 2019 #207 of 310

    lman Member

    Nov 14, 2006
    +1 It seems like a fraud. I paid for lifetime service to avoid advertisements and now TIVO is sneaking in ads that you can't avoid on these streaming channels. If I wanted to watch advertisements, I wouldn't have bought a TIVO.
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  8. Nov 4, 2019 #208 of 310

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

    Dec 7, 2012
    Ashland, PA...
    If I remember right, there was a message on my TE4 Roamio's screen asking if I wanted TiVo+. I said no. The Mini VOX using that host has all the stuff I never asked for though.
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  9. Nov 4, 2019 #209 of 310

    cwoody222 Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 1999
    Buffalo, NY
    dunno. I was just going off of what TiVo’s advertising said.
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  10. Nov 4, 2019 #210 of 310

    mdavej Well-Known Member

    Aug 13, 2015
    I got no such message.
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  11. Nov 5, 2019 #211 of 310

    ajwees41 Well-Known Member

    May 7, 2006
    was added to our roamio last night
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  12. Nov 6, 2019 #212 of 310

    dslunceford Well-Known Member

    Oct 19, 2000
    No. VA/D.C.
    I popped in tonite. Clicked on Filmrise Free Movies tile. Served up "Title Not Available" then a VHS quality out of aspect (both top/bottom and side bars) of Unsolved Mysteries (old TV show) starts to run with no pause or other trick play functionality. Oof...
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  13. Nov 6, 2019 #213 of 310

    jaselzer Active Member

    Sep 10, 2018
    Just wonderful
  14. Nov 7, 2019 #214 of 310

    dlfl Cranky old novice

    Jul 6, 2006
    Dayton OH
    You guys have bad attitudes! You need to read TiVo's exhuberant tweets about wonderful TiVo+. :rolleyes:
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  15. Nov 8, 2019 #215 of 310

    ufo4sale Well-Known Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Somerset NJ...
    I can understand not being able to FF through commercial but not being able to FF through content is ridiculous, pathetic, and completely unreasonable. WTF TiVo get your head on straight. This is one Fan boy that gives this three thumbs down. :mad:
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  16. Nov 8, 2019 #216 of 310

    trip1eX Well-Known Member

    Apr 2, 2005
    " TiVo+ is a big first step for us, because this is not historically a content company. This is a company that's been designing hardware. So for us to shift and say we can actually deploy a bunch of content ads on the TiVo+ brand is a big step. But you're going to see really the next, what I would call sort of a coming out of party, early next year around CES and around the Q1 road show. And I think at that point, there'll be a lot clearer kind of what we're looking at in terms of ramping up the deployment of the TiVo Experience space, and where we see the future growth for the Product side coming."

    tangent: Also their plan is to have the separation into a Product and IP company done by April 2020. IP revenues rose 13% btw while Product revenues fell 11%. Maybe tells where the fortunes lie for each future half of the company. They took a $137 million non-cash charge this quarter on goodwill to be more honest about their books (my words) going into next year's split.
  17. Nov 8, 2019 #217 of 310

    arglebargle2 Member

    Mar 22, 2019
    Its kind of funny, I read the transcript and it has a bunch of little typos/mishearing from the transcriber.

    I can't tell if it was 'deploy a bunch of content to add on to the tivo+ brand' or 'deploy a bunch of content advertisements on the TiVo+ brand'
  18. Nov 8, 2019 #218 of 310

    jaselzer Active Member

    Sep 10, 2018
    Is see that the above is a quote but it is not attributed to anyone. Who wrote it please?
  19. Nov 8, 2019 #219 of 310

    Wil Unknown Member

    Sep 26, 2002
    Is word salad actually "written"?
  20. Nov 8, 2019 #220 of 310

    jaselzer Active Member

    Sep 10, 2018
    I do not see the word salad, but very much would like to know to whom the quote is attributed.

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