Tivo New Experience (Hydra) Yay/Nay

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by blobly, Apr 23, 2018.

Do you like the Tivo New Experience (Hyrda)

  1. I love it!

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  2. It's good and better than the older interface

    34.3%
  3. It's ok, but I prefer the older interface

    15.2%
  4. I don't like it, I wish I did not upgrade

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  5. Completely horrible

    23.6%
  1. davetroup

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    To be honest, I can’t remember what was missing when I first (briefly) tried TE4. It was at least a couple of years ago and, at the time, there was lots of negative sentiment here about the change. I remember being left with the impression that it was a step backwards.

    Obviously a lot of time had passed and the software has evolved and, hopefully, improved. If the vast majority of folks have moved to TE4 now and are happy with it, probably I will be too. But since there's essentially no turning back after upgrading, I wanted to make sure there weren’t any big issues which would leave me regretting having switched.

    I’m getting the feeling that the tide has turned and that I’d better upgrade before I start to feel like a dinosaur.
     
  2. Adam C.

    Adam C. Active Member

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    I was reluctant to try TE4 at first but I'm glad I did. I've had a couple minor hiccups but other than that it has been working fine. The auto commercial skip is what finally pushed me to upgrade. I think if you want to see any new features you will have to upgrade at some point. I doubt TE3 is going to see anything new.
     
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  3. XIBM

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    From what I hear, suggestions do not work on TE4
     
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  4. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    Being like a dinosaur is what your existing recordings will be if you make the jump to TE4 and find it unacceptable, and feel the need to rollback to TE3.
     
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  5. davetroup

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    Yeah, that’s my fear. So I’m trying to figure out if my fear is still rational or if there's no real basis for it any more. A couple of years ago, there were enough deficiencies that I felt like it was rational not to make the jump, but I’m feeling like that may no longer be the case.

    As for suggestions... I thought Tivo suggestions were a fantastic feature 20 years ago when the technology rolled out. There was a lot less quality television back then, and a lot more times when there was nothing recorded and I appreciated the nudge toward programming I might like.

    But we are living in content nirvana these days, there is WAY too much quality content being made, and the problem is really the opposite... how am I ever going to be able to watch everything that I’d sort of like to watch? So I haven’t had suggestions turned on for quite a while, and I don’t think I will miss them.
     
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  6. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    But absent knowledge of specific features of import to you the decision can’t be rational (i.e. objective).

    One option would be to just buy a new TiVo and try out TE4/Hydra, then cancel and return it within the 30-day window.
     
  7. davetroup

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    I mostly use my TiVo to record stuff OTA, often using season passes, and play them back. Sometimes I watch via streaming, if a recording doesn’t occur or something. I love commercial skip. I love being able to use the iOS app or the web to schedule recordings.

    I also use Tivo to essentially keep track of episodes I intend to watch, including on streaming services, by OnePassing them (which creates bookmarks) and deleting episodes as I watch them. So I use my TiVo’s “Now Playing” as a master database of programming which I want/intend to watch. My preference is to record things, but some stuff is only available via streaming.

    The more graphical nature of Hydra, with images of episodes, etc. instead of just a textual list, isn’t particularly appealing, but I guess that’s what most people prefer these days, and it isn’t objectionable enough to keep me from switching.

    The suggestion to buy a new TiVo to try TE4 and then return it is not a bad idea, but I’m not sure I want to invest that much effort into this decision. I am actually getting good feedback here, and it’s moving me toward a decision. So thanks to everyone who has added to the discussion.
     
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  8. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    Thoughts:
    • Seeing as you record OTA (and so none of your content should be copy-protected), one option would be to offload all your recordings to a PC, either before the TE4 upgrade or TE3 rollback. The content could then be restored to the TiVo after the TE3 rollback.
    • It’s my understanding that the TE4 My Shows listing has shifted to a more text-based listing from the original TE4 icon-heavy presentation.
     
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  9. JoeKustra

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    Two pictures of My Shows. Both displayed on same Sony TV through AVR. The TE4 has the selection list added on the left with v5.
    TE3MyShows.JPG TE4MyShows.JPG
    Differences in contrast/font/brightness are from the two different software versions. Both are basic Roamio boxes.
     
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  10. Charles R

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    Having used Hydra since the day it was released through last week's update there isn't much of the difference... if you didn't care for it before odds are you still won't and vice-versa.
     
  11. Mikeguy

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    A remaining factor to consider: the loss of PC -> TiVo box show transfer capability with TE4. As well as, the loss of TiVo box -> TiVo box show transfer capability using the box's show listing (instead, TiVo Online must be used--it can be a bit buggy or even down sometimes). Simply FYI, should these factors be important to you.

    And concurring that if you decide to try TE4 again, you might consider using pyTivo Desktop, TiVo Desktop, or kmttg to save a copy of your shows (or, at least those that are important to you) on your PC, should you decide, in the end, that you want to return to TE3.
     
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  12. exdishguy

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    Wow. Stark difference to me. Nice to see the My Shows improvement in Hydra but looking at this makes me think I made the right choice rolling back (while I can). And while I hate tiles, the thumbnail in TE3 is very nice to me with useful information at a glance.

    Added "wow" to the number of titles that are marked SKIP on your Roamio! Geesh. Maybe I'd feel differently about auto-skip if I had half of what you got for SKIP tagged shows. :)
     
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  13. krkaufman

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    Great post. Would have been great if we’d managed to have similar comparison shots for more screens since the release of Hydra, and now as it’s updated.

    Thanks.
     
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  14. HerronScott

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    I had not noticed that they didn't have the thumbnail information in the new TE4 update and I agree I like the information provided there.

    Out of the top 16 shows in My Shows 12 have SKIP and for the ones that don't - 1 is HBO (GoT), 2 are streaming (Farscape and Top Gear) and the last is on Cartoon Network and doesn't get SKIP.

    Scott
     
  15. Rowan

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    That is the one thing that is stopping me from moving over. Once this feature is added back I will switch over.
     
  16. JoeKustra

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    I really like the ability to change category. The pictures were taken a few minutes apart. I have the video window disabled when I take pictures. Any specific comparisons you would like? I would like to point out that every program on the TE4 box were moved there via Online since I still haven't added a cable card. Maybe next week.
     
  17. KevTech

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    One of the things I like in TE4 is you can see all of the program details/description of a recording or in the guide.
    In TE3 the details/description go so far then just stop sometimes even in mid sentence or a word.
     
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  18. JoeKustra

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    That must be different in your area. My descriptions still cut off (but are longer). Example: Tonight, CBS, FBI at 9pm EST. Just compare the guide with what the Info button shows. Both will display the entire description if you hit the Info button. You may need to hit Info twice with TE3 to get it all.
     
  19. davetroup

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    I took the plunge and updated yesterday. I didn't get the new Spring update yet, so I'm still on the previous version of TE4, but after using it for an evening, my reaction is mostly "why did I resist for so long?" It seems more responsive than TE3, and although the interface changes will take some getting used to, most of them seem well thought-out. I look forward to getting the Spring update with auto-skip. But I like how the Skip flag is displayed so prominently, so that you play something, you know that Skip is enabled (or not.)

    TE3 had a bug where sometimes a show would say "Skip enabled" when you started to play it, but then it turned out not to be enabled after all. Too early for me to tell whether that problem exists in TE4. Anyway, I'd expect there wouldn't be any difference between TE3 and TE4 in terms of which shows have the skip markers. TiVo's been doing a pretty good job with them lately.

    Thanks for everyone's thoughts and suggestions. Clearly the problems I encountered when TE4 first launched are no longer apparent, so I'm glad to have come back into the mainstream.
     
  20. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

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    I feel Skip is pretty clear with TE3:
    TE3MyShows.JPG
     
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