Tivo moves further into irrelavants

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  1. May 2, 2011 #1 of 100
    Videodrome

    Videodrome tivo - please wait..

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    Hey Tivo did you notice this ? htpc becomes a more attractive option now.

    http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/02/hdhomerun-prime-tv-tuner-passes-cablelabs-tests-available-for-p/

     
  2. May 2, 2011 #2 of 100
    moyekj

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    Except the future of Microsoft Media Center Edition remains dubious at this point, not to mention the oft mentioned problem of lack of any new extender solutions.
     
  3. May 2, 2011 #3 of 100
    atmuscarella

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    Third party DVRs have become a niche product due to the failure of cable cards. Until cable cards are replaced with something that:
    1. Works well for both cable and satellite,
    2. Is very easy for the consumer to setup and use (plug the cable in type easy), and
    3. Does not increase their cable or satellite bill
    nothing is going to change. Just not enough people willing to deal with all the costs and/or issues. For most it is way to easy and some times way to cheap (when DVRs are used as loss leaders) to use their providers DVR.

    Thanks,
     
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    Bierboy

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    I wouldn't call CableCARDS a failure. They're used in most current cable boxes...
     
  5. May 2, 2011 #5 of 100
    ZeoTiVo

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    the thread is irrelevant but a company would slip further into irrelevance, not irrelevants.
     
  6. May 2, 2011 #6 of 100
    atmuscarella

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    The purpose fo cablecards wasn't to make cable company boxes work - they do not need them, the only reason they use them is because it is required by law.

    The purposes of cable cards was to give consumers access to third party devices that could be used with any cable and satellite provider.

    The first failure was when satellite providers got a "temporary" waiver.

    The second failure was costs associated with development and cable labs certification

    The third failure was when cable companies were allowed to charge what ever they felt like charging including truck roles, outlet fees, rent fees. ect.

    The forth failure was when cable companies were allowed to provide more service (and access to more channels) through their own boxes than what third party boxes would have access to.

    Basically cable cards are nearly a complete failure as they were to benefit consumers and have effectively benefited the cable companies.

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  7. May 2, 2011 #7 of 100
    dtremit

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    Nothing in life is guaranteed, but Win8 isn't even going to be released until sometime next year. Even if they follow the short support cycle they have for Vista (unlikely), they will likely be offering security updates for Win7MCE until at least 2019. And most signs point to Win8MCE being more or less identical to Win7MCE.

    Given TiVo doesn't have extenders, I'm not sure how the lack of selection is a hit against Windows, but YMMV of course.
     
  8. May 3, 2011 #8 of 100
    Series3Sub

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    As I remember it in many press accounts, satellite was purposely left out of the Cable Card specification and both Dish and DirecTV wrote letters, partly published along with quoted objections from satellite PR, to Congress complaining of how the Cable Cos kept them out of the latest Cable Card when it was being developed. Satellite was left at the gas station by the cable cos on Cable Card, and satellite must now be thinking how lucky they were that they got locked out in the cold, well, not so cold, after all. This is in regards to the latest version of Cable Card.

    Furthermore, unlike the CableLabs specification that is used all over the country at all cable TV companies, satellite's lack of standardization makes developing a product to work with both Dish and DirecTV too expensive. Cable is where any DVR maker hopes to get the most return, not to mention having to keep up with far more innovation with DirecTV and Dish than ANY of the cable cos.
     
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    unitron

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    Apparently Silicon Dust can't even be bothered to keep the documentation for their older products available online as a courtesy to past customers and others, so why risk their current products being orphaned?
     
  10. May 3, 2011 #10 of 100
    ZeoTiVo

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    that revision of history was quite amusing to read.
     
  11. May 3, 2011 #11 of 100
    nrc

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    Yeah, nonsense. Satellite fought hard to be left out of cable card rules. Since then they've argued to maintain that exclusion in part based on the fact that Cable controls that standard.

    It appears that they've accepted that they'll be included in any Allvid rules, though.
     
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    daveak

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    I don't think Allvid can get here soon enough. Though if cable cards adoption is any indication, it will be problematic for third party boxes and will take forever to arrive to a standard.
     
  13. May 3, 2011 #13 of 100
    shwru980r

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    It seems like the cable cards were successful for the cable companies. Tivo lost over 2 million subscriptions of which the cable companies probably picked up a large percentage. The cable companies were charging a lot of money for a truck roll to install the cable card.
     
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    MrSkippy53

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    I don't believe TiVo lost 2 million subs because of cable cards. I don't see cable cards as a big issue. I think I would rather have a TiVo with CC inside than a TiVo and a Cable box and IR blaster. And the truck roll cost to install the CC was the same they charge to come out and install cable Internet or their DVR. And not to long from now they will have to offer CC self installs
     
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    Phantom Gremlin

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    I have multiple CableCARDs in the house. But you're exactly correct, they're "nearly a complete failure". It's simple cognitive dissonance that keeps some people from understanding the "big picture" reality.
     
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    innocentfreak

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    I think they have but only slightly. I think they are going along with the idea but are now like most companies arguing over the details if you look at the filings from dish and directv.
     
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    mattack

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    Where exactly is "irrelavants"? Can we visit Tivo there?

    heh heh heh.
     
  18. May 3, 2011 #18 of 100
    unitron

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    While in Africa once I shot an irrelavants in my pajamas.


    What he was doing in my pajamas I'll never know.
     
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    trip1eX

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    WMC is going to win over some geeks, but other than it isn't going to do anything.

    It's not wife- proof.
     
  20. May 4, 2011 #20 of 100
    innocentfreak

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    I know some wives that would disagree with you.
     

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