TiVo Mini & wireless adapter with Roamio on wi-fi

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by mbernste, Dec 4, 2019.

  1. fyodor

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    My point was just trying to clarify if you saw significant improvement with the internal adapter or if you saw improvement wrt performance with a bridge.
     
  2. JoeKustra

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    I can't think of any condition when a wireless adapter failed to provide superior performance. I just changed my TE4 Roamio to wireless. I needed a power cycle for it to pass the tests even though, like TE3, it obtained a wireless IP address just by removing the Ethernet cable. I'll post again after testing some transfers.
     
  3. JoeKustra

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    Here's my test after switching the TE4 Roamio from a wireless bridge (TP-Link RE580D) to its internal wireless. I copied last night's The Tonight Show both ways.

    TE3 to TE4: 68.4Mbps
    TE4 to TE3: 55.7Mbps

    I don't understand the asymmetry. When using a bridge I get 93.5Mbps both ways between two TE3 units and one TE4 units. All are basic Roamio with 1TB or 3TB drives.

    Sadly, TE4 doesn't have a Transfer History display, so the USB Mini VOX transfer rate can't be measured by the system. Neither does a TE3 system for Mini streaming. I would love that to be added.
     
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  4. mbernste

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    Well, at around 3 AM eastern today I ordered the TiVo Mini Vox and USB wi-fi 5 adapter. According to the FedEx tracking, it should complete its trip from Ft. Worth, TX to me in NJ on Sunday. We'll see how it all works out. I will be pleasantly surprised if I don't have to turn off the self-organizing network option on my FiOS G1100 for it to see the wifi network and/or my Roamio Pro.
     
  5. fyodor

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    I seem to remember back in the day when we were still doing lots of transfers on S3s and Premieres that the remuxing was harder on the processor of the outgoing device. So it may be that when using the internal wireless there's some additional processor load, that when combined with the more difficult remuxing, causes a bit of a slowdown.

    Anyway, those wireless numbers are much higher than I'd have guessed-maybe wireless from the Roamio internal wireless will work for streaming, contra my prediction.

     
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    While I'm not ready to put a blessing on this, I was able to watch real time TV on my Mini VOX with the Roamio as the host, both with TE4. I'll try my more stressful test tomorrow. I find streaming two hours of YouTube 1080p junk is a good test, plus an Amazon movie in 1080p/24 DD 5.1+.
     
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    It may be a moot point, but just for future reference, I don't think that this is how most bridges work. The bridges work at the layer-2 header level. They don't mess with the IPs or do network address translation. The connected devices get IP addresses assigned directly by the router.

     
  8. JoeKustra

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    I have a few bridges. I need to check a few that are in boxes, but right now I have a DAP-1650, RE6500 and a RE500D in service. It could be my Netgear routers, but all devices connected have the MAC address from their bridge. This has been true for a while (that's why I have router as plural), but sometimes the reservation set in the router is ignored and I get a number assigned by the bridge. Here's the thing: I gave up caring a while ago. Sometimes I will use a fixed IP address on a device just to keep things pretty. I also set each bridge with an IP address that has the last octet as a power of two. There are wireless devices and I let then fill in the non-reserved locations. Also, every bridge supports four or five Ethernet inputs.

    I'm really hoping the wifi 5 works well. Then I can the box up the DAP-1650 now used by my Mini VOX. Next week.

    edit: After think about this for a while, I think a wireless bridge does not pass the MAC address of an attached device back to the router. Therefore the reservations don't work. I have a bridge somewhere that passes 1/2 of the MAC address. I need to find it.
     
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  9. mbernste

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    So this morning I set up my TiVo mini Vox with the wifi 5 adapter. As I previously mentioned, both the Mini Vox and Roamio Pro are wireless. Other than a very small hiccup where at first it appeared my Mini wasn't activated (just took a 2nd attempt through Guided Setup to fix), the process couldn't have been any smoother. TiVo's included instructions were a little contradictory. One pamphlet said I need to connect the adapter first before going through Guided Setup and another said I should connect via ethernet first, go through Guided Setup to do a software update and then insert the adapter. I chose the latter method and ran my 300 ft ethernet cable to the mini, went through Guided Setup, let the Mini update and then I plugged the adapter in and went through Guided Setup again. It easily found my network, put in my password and it then immediately listed all of my shows on the Roamio Pro host DVR. I picked a show from my list and it started playing with no buffering, in essence as fast as if I was using my Roamio.
     
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  10. Mikeguy

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    Sounds great--congratulations! A follow-up: what sort of router do you have, and is it an N or AC router, and 2.4 GHz or 5GHz?
     
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    The wifi 5 doesn't support 2.4GHz. But it does support both 5GHz bands. When I setup wireless on my PC, it discovers about 10 routers. The wifi 5 only finds 3. The TiVo wireless receivers are not very strong across all boxes. I can't test a Bolt or EDGE.
     
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    I just was wondering if the adapter could be "forced" to use a 2.4GHz band--guess not.
     
  13. JoeKustra

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    It's not visible on the screen when asked to choose a network. I use 2.4GHz with all my smart televisions, Blu-ray and Roku. Since my household consists of me (and sometimes a mouse), I don't have a congestion problem.

    I might not remember right, but I don't remember there being a place to enter the SSID manually like some devices have. That will make those who hide their SSID unhappy.
     
  14. mbernste

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    It is a FiOS Quantum G1100 a/b/g/n ("wi-fi 5") router. So it does everything but the new "x" ("wi-fi 6") protocol.
     
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    In doing Guided Setup on the Mini Vox, there was an option to enter your SSID manually, but mine was the first one on the list, so it was easy peasy lemon squeasey.
     
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    The adapter is 5 GHz only. In my case, I have a self organizing network, so there is only one SSID for both bands.
     
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    I have had some lose connection to my bolt issues. Says go back to home screen and start playing the show again.
    Had to do a restart one time to fix the issue.
     
  18. mbernste

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    So as it turns out, the idiot who started this whole topic did have one minor problem. Try as the idiot might, he couldn't get the remote to pair with the Mini Vox (only IR mode). Said idiot followed every step in the long paragraph on the screen. While the aforementioned idiot noticed the plastic on the top of the Mini Vox and removed it, he didn't notice the plastic that went around the bezel of the Mini Vox. Once said idiot noticed the plastic, unplugged everything (ugh), removed it and plugged everything back in said idiot was able to fully pair the remote.
     
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