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TiVo Mini Vox: MoCA vs Ethernet

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by geekmedic, Nov 8, 2017.

Which is best for Mini Vox? MoCA or Ethernet?

  1. MoCA

    6 vote(s)
    35.3%
  2. Ethernet

    11 vote(s)
    64.7%
  1. geekmedic

    geekmedic TiVo Fanatic TCF Club

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    I have CAT6 in most rooms. I have Ubiquiti UniFi switches (48-port master switch with a bunch of 8-port switches throughout my home). Most of my devices like AppleTV, Samsung TV's, etc. are wired. I try to limit wireless devices as much as possible to maximize throughput for things that need it (laptops, iPads, etc.).
     
  2. xxsj

    xxsj New Member

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    Cat7 or at the least Cat6a. And use conduit.
     
  3. geekmedic

    geekmedic TiVo Fanatic TCF Club

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    So I have 2 Minis (Vox) hooked to ethernet and 5 Minis (3 Vox, 2 Gen 1) hooked to MoCA and cannot tell the difference in initiating a video stream or in buffering/lag issues.
     
  4. geekmedic

    geekmedic TiVo Fanatic TCF Club

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    I have CAT6 run throughout my house. Did it 7 years ago. 6a was too expensive then. (Would love to have CAT7 throughout for when 802.11bz comes around in full force.)
     
  5. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    You will still be able to get 5Gbps over Cat6 with 802.11bz. Or 2.5Gbps over Cat5e.
     
  6. jonw747

    jonw747 Member

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    I use Moca so my Minis can talk to my Roamio without bothering the rest of my network and visa-versa. Not a big deal, I just like the idea of separating the networks.
     
  7. mr_milo

    mr_milo Member

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    Are they really separate networks? I thought the same and therefore set mine up with MoCa but I noticed that the Roamio pulled two IP addresses (one for ethernet & one for MoCA) from my router and the Mini pulled one IP address (for MoCa) from the router. Makes me wonder if they truly are separate networks.(?)
     
  8. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    Same home network and IP address space (network subnet), but different physical segments, where traffic between devices using the same networking type will be isolated from the other network segments.
     
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  9. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    yes. This is what I've been doing with my TiVo devices for years. But I've had no choice since I have over one hundred devices on my home network. So I physically segment my TiVo devices on it's own part of my network.

    I did it this way since it would have been cost prohibitive to change out all my unmanaged switches to managed switches. So I have four physically separated segments on my home network. That only need to go through the switch in my router if they communicate with a device on another segment of the network or access the internet. Without having my network setup this way I would have major issues.

    I also have my fifteen IP cameras on it's own segment. Since they are 24/7/365 sending data to a PC that aggregates the video from all the cameras.

    And then I have a WiFi segment. And a segment for my media players, PCs etc.
     
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  10. Bill Fallon

    Bill Fallon New Member

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    When I setup my Bolt on Verizon Fios w/Quantum Gateway router, since the router already has a MoCa 2.0 bridge, I needed to setup the Bolt on MoCa client. However, I learned to accomplish that, I had to initially setup the Bolt on Ethernet, the Bolt gets assigned an IP Address, then go back in the setup and switch the Bolt from Ethernet to MoCa client, and the same IP address from the Ethernet setup is assigned and used. So it seems apparent to me it is the same network. But my best understanding is that the Tivo traffic between the Bolt and the Mini and the other apps would be over the CoAx plant switched by/through the MoCa 2.0 bridge and isolated from the Ethernet and WiFi segments. The Quantum Gateway, as other wireless routers, also have multi WiFi segments as well (2.4 GHZ and 5 GHZ). Though screen mirroring or casting can be troublesome using devices on different segments.
     
  11. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    MoCA is peer-to-peer, so the BOLT and Mini, both MoCA-connected, would communicate directly with each other. Each device would communicate with/through the MoCA bridge only when needing to connect with non-MoCA devices (and the Internet).


    This two-step process shouldn't be necessary. (Though maybe a software update also occurred after the initial Ethernet connection, fixing some MoCA bug. ???)
     
  12. Bill Fallon

    Bill Fallon New Member

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    The Bolt was a real pain setting this up on MoCa with the Verizon Fios Quantum Gateway. I followed the installation instructions, called Tivo tech support (they told me to change the splitters) with no success. I then came across this forum and found something in a thread to do the two step setup process. And it worked. And once it sets up, nothing further. See my last reply on this at Picture Quality Issue on Bolt using MoCa. Hopefully they have fixed this quirk. I can see that folks who are novices on this stuff (not that I am an expert) could really struggle as most folks have no clue about MoCa, let alone know that their router already has the MoCa bridge and the user can not use Moca bridge on the Bolt as it will conflict with the MoCa bridge on the router.
     
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  13. Dwheat

    Dwheat New Member

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    I don’t have anyone to run the cat5 so I went and bought an Airport Express and set it up as an extender and put it next to the mini and ran cat 5 from it to the mini. It worked!
     
  14. Bill Fallon

    Bill Fallon New Member

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    Sounds like you have your TV in a spot where running Ethernet is not reasonable and there is no existing CoAx or running CoAx is not reasonable? I know some cable systems use wireless from their base stations to their client receivers. I believe TiVo chooses to stick with wired connections only. And using wireless distribution systems does cut down on the data throughput. IMHO, I would only go this route when there is no CoAx at the site of the Mini and running CoAx or Ethernet is not reasonable. But it is good to know that this is a possible solution. Thanks for sharing.
     
  15. huntson

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    Does anyone have any clue how much bandwidth a VOX Mini uses to stream TV from a Roamio or the like? I have a very specific usage application and I’d like to know what the average bandwidth people have observed for strictly TV watching on a mini is. I won’t be home for a week otherwise I’d observe myself.
     
  16. geekmedic

    geekmedic TiVo Fanatic TCF Club

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    I believe 720/1080p is around 8-10 Mbps and 4K is around 15-20 Mbps.
     
  17. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    It depends. A local station could use as much as 19Mb/s if they maxed out their bandwidth and used no sub-channels. But typically they are much lower. And then if you are on Comcast, which lowers the resolution of channels to only 720P and uses H.264, they are probably using 7Mb/s or less for their channels.

    Either way though they are all very low bitrates.
     
  18. huntson

    huntson New Member

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    On Optimum in New York I am seeing average of 8.5mbps.
     

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