Out of box issues will create a mess, that's where some may have zero patience or no knowledge of self fixes. Somewhere I read TiVo wants to move past bug fixes on the mini vox and prepare for what? There are issues on the V2 mini you refuse to address to say the least. The mini vox should be perfected, for retail of $179 is pure extortion. As far as the mini vox goes right now for me, I have 2...they are stable after you get your remotes paired and updated. Needs some work still.