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Tivo loses lawsuit with comast!

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by celtic pride, Aug 8, 2018.

  1. Aug 8, 2018 #1 of 24
    celtic pride

    celtic pride Member

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    So how will this affect tivo? accodimg to multichannel news site, comcast has won the the lawsuit vs,tivo . I certainly didnt see this coming seeing as to how tivo had been winning against the other cable companies.
     
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    JoeKustra

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    Link?
     
  3. Aug 8, 2018 #3 of 24
    KDeFlane

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    Comcast Wins Battle in Patent War with TiVo

     
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    ah30k

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    one or two wins for Comast, nearly three dozen to go.
     
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    morac

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    Except that according to the linked article above, many of TiVo’s patents were already invalidated last year and some also expired.
     
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    tarheelblue32

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    The real problem is the ripple effect this will have on all the other companies that pay TiVo to use their patents that have just been invalidated.
     
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    UCLABB

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    Didn’t seem to have a negative effect on stock price of TiVo so it’s probably not a big deal.
     
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    dlfl

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    +1. Have to wonder about this patent stuff.
     
  10. tarheelblue32

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    The markets don't always predict everything correctly.
     
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    The number of patents invalidated are not a majority of the patents involved in the litigation. Even if they were, it only takes one.
     
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    Judging an invention obvious is tough. A LOT of invention seem obvious once we learn them, but somehow humanity existed forever without them before the invention was made.

    This one I do think counts as obvious. Once we have a "tuner on a chip set" and can put several in the same machine, it becomes obvious that the output of any one tuner could be routed to any one of many displays and/or to any one of many recording streams.

    It's only at bars and restaurants that I've seen multiple displays being fed from multiple tuners.
     
  13. ah30k

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    Using a hard disk to record video seems pretty obvious to me now. Back in 1990... not so much.
     
  14. JoeKustra

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    Yet 90% of the time you hear someone on TV talking about "tape". Seldom do you hear "recording". It takes a long time for English to catch up with technology.
     
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    Or dialing a phone number...
     
  16. dlfl

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    Well there is the idea and reducing it to practice. I think N. Tesla envisioned smart phones about 100 years before one existed. Did he get a patent on that idea? And should he have?
     
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    True, we don't record onto "tape" much anymore, but we also don't record much onto "records" anymore either.
     
  18. JoeKustra

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    While I agree, there is much more growth in vinyl than SACD.

    I love taking a thread off-topic when the topic won't die on its own. :rolleyes:
     
  19. dfreybur

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    Arthur C Clark invented the geosynchronous orbital communications satellite. He thought the first use would be so far out he didn't patent it. Had he patented it he would have made several million on the patent.

    There are products who time comes. Around 1980 in a group of friends we invented the Personal Digital Assistant. Probably hundreds of groups or individuals did so that year. We priced out the parts and decided it would not be suitable as a product. The magnetic bubble storage unit was too expensive. Someone else that year did the same but they ALSO took Moore's Law into account. PDAs dominated the market for a while until their function got absorbed by smart phones and tablets.

    The idea of a hand held radio was the walkie talkie so that part of the idea was public domain before car phones. The patents are about many aspects of the technology used.
     
  20. ej42137

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    This was discussed by a patent attorney who is also an SF author (Charles L. Harness) in an article in Analog magazine a long time ago. If Clarke had taken out such a patent when he wrote the article, it would have expired long before there were any geosynchronous satellites. According to the rules then in effect, a year after publication of AC's article the scheme became no longer patentable.

    The story he wrote about the idea had the Soviet block putting up TV satellites which would broadcast porn which would cause the fall of the West. IRL, pretty much the opposite happened.
     
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