TiVo Loses 163,000 Subscribers In October ‘08 Quarter

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  1. Dec 4, 2008 #61 of 131
    hahathatsfunny

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    As for expanding in retail outlets, TiVo should get their units sold on staples.com. While TiVo now has inked a deal with walmart.com, Costco stores, in addition to Best Buy and Sears, I think getting teamed with Staples, esp. Staples online, would be a good inroad for other reasons.

    Staples just recently started carry Apple Ipods - and a lot of them are already sold out. Staples has a great reward system, has the office market, and is making inroads into popular accessories not office related. I buy a ton of office related items, with my customer #, get re-imbursed from my company, but accrue the reward points - which can be used for any of the fun stuff Staples has.

    In with Staples could help offset the loss of Circuit City, if that chain goes under. I mean in the end, what good is it to be in on a store shelf in a big box store, with the store salesmen knowing little about it, when the smart consumer will likely be looking for the best deal, and can order directly from TiVo cheaper or by some other means. I just placed an order for a TiVO HD directly from Tivo as they were giving a discount as they were able to look up my account. But I just got my $60 reward check from Staples, and will probably use it for a GPS.
     
  2. Dec 4, 2008 #62 of 131
    hahathatsfunny

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    I don't think its a great idea being at Wal-Mart, Kmart or Target, since TiVo is probably too high end for the mass number of Wal-Mart, Kmart and Target stores where more than half are ppl are buying low end items majority of the time. However, the online stores make a lot of sense.

    I looked at Target and Wal-Mart, and Target.com was charging a shipping cost that outweighed the benefit of buying from there. For the TiVo HD, Wal-Mart didn't have Site to Store, though Wal-Mart was price competitive for the unit. Sears surprisingly did and one day they had a 10% off all electronics deal going on. In the end, I bought it straight from TiVo and got a better deal ($199 for a TiVo HD, not refurb), but I will have to pay for lifetime service.

    In my situation, I like the benefits of TiVo To Go, transferring shows between units and the multi-service discoun over DVR service from Comcast. In my area, Verizon Fios now competes with Comcast, so a lot of the Comcast bundled packages are discounted, and the 1 year promotional pricing "rolls over, if you call in when its to expire" - according to a Comcast customer service rep, which is only happening because Fios is now competing. Of course, Comcast won't advertise or lower rates, but they can bundled it, make it a promotion, and when a customer calls to terminate it, can do this roll over stuff.

    $129.99 - Comcast Internet, Phone and TV, Digital, all HBO, Starz and Showtime.
    and then $22.90 in outlet fees which is my HD DVR from Comcast, with HD channels and DVR functionality, and a second standard digital box. I'm hoping that with my new TiVo box, I'll atleast save in some of the outlet fees cost.

    I have another TiVo which gets international programming from Dish Network. I'll like that I will be able to transfer shows around. Comcast doesn't have the international programming that I want, Dish Network doesn't have CSN Philadelphia, and I anyways am not a fan of their DVRs. Tried DirecTV, Dish, Comcast and Verizon's DVRS and none were impressive. I did like my old Panasonic ReplayTV Showstopper unit though, as an alternative to the TiVo interface.
     
  3. Dec 5, 2008 #63 of 131
    MichaelK

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    dont think that would ever happen.

    it's clearly not the same but look at Verizon Wireless and GPS- they purposly lock it on all their phones although sprint as an example sells the same phone with it unlocked. Lot of good it does sprint- they're bleeding like mad.

    But I agree it would be awesome
     
  4. Dec 5, 2008 #64 of 131
    MichaelK

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    thanks for actual numbers- that doesn't seem so bad.

    You think this is only the 8th annual tivo dying thread- I think it might be the 10th- laughing.

    But as I wrote above- I'm starting to get concerned nothing they do seems to work. Nothing

    and so they beat anaylysts estimates- what does that mean? The analysts thought they had a super sucky quarter but it only sucked a little?

    also fyi- at some point you could buy tivo's at humax- you can still see the humax tivo webpages here:
    http://www.walmart.com/catalog/prod...art.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3874960
    and looks like they even had them years and year ago with series 1's 14hr units:
    http://archive.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/history/topic/45529-1.html
     
  5. Dec 6, 2008 #65 of 131
    CharlesH

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    The standalone GPS functionality is unlocked on the new Blackberry Storm from VZW. But I think it is the only such VZW phone (at this time, anyway). They are gradually opening up the services on their phones, such as offering more and more Bluetooth profiles.

    But I don't know if the cable companies are under similar pressure to open their systems.
     
  6. Dec 8, 2008 #66 of 131
    MichaelK

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    actually nope - if i understand correctly - the blackberry storm is just as locked as ever. Wont work with google maps of other third parties as an example. Blackberry (rim)- just had a lot of power by giving VZ their touchscreen first exclusivley so they got VZ to allow the blackberry maps program inside the verizon walled garden.


    So while verizon might open up bluetooth and other options which have no bearing on their products- they wont open up when it allows competitaion unless someone has more power.

    Tivo has no such power with anyone to force any changes so they can bring their cool features inside cables fences.

    Maybe Tivo will get more power- we can hope that things like netflix and the like make tivo more powerfull but i'm worried it's just wishful thinking.
     
  7. Dec 8, 2008 #67 of 131
    CharlesH

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    On a thread in the HowardForums Storm subforum, people say that they have gotten various third-party standalone GPS applications, such as nav4all, to work.
     
  8. Dec 8, 2008 #68 of 131
    MichaelK

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    not to drift from tivo- but that's GREAT news- i just got a Samsung Saga and it's locked and pissing me off- laughing
     
  9. Dec 8, 2008 #69 of 131
    ZeoTiVo

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    TiVo has always had the problem of people understanding why they would want a TiVo.
    record shows - I can do that with my VCR
    pause and so forth - VCR or cable box/cable DVR

    TiVo to Go - a few business travalers with laptops liked it but most saw no use in it
    do some HME games or stream music - do that with my MP3 and Video game console
    Rhapsody - do that with my MP3 - why no iTunes?

    photos and MRV are about the only two features I have made someone else go - oohh cool over.
    Even Amazon video rental left them kind of flat at 4$ a pop

    that is why indeed walmart is a bad place to sell TiVo. monthly sub does not = bargain in most peoples eyes.

    Netflix streaming may be the first feature for TiVo that everyday people can get their heads around as something cool and useful. helps that netflix is a sub service as well so that audience is already looking at monthly amount as a value way to go.
     
  10. Dec 8, 2008 #70 of 131
    MichaelK

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    I have to say netflix streaming is a pretty slick thing to sell with. It might help. Tivo should get a mailing list from netflix and offer netflix subs some great deal. I'm guessing that's obvious to tivo's marketing people. I would guess that netflix and tivo appeal to similar groups. So if you grab the netflix subs and offer them a tivo for a big fat discount it might generate some traffic.


    My sister-in-law called me the other day asking about blue-ray players and what to get my brother-in-law for christmas. I haven't paid much attention as my business is a little off this year so decided not to get myself a standalong blue ray player just yet. But I happened to have seen the posts here about the samsung blueray players with netflix. So I mentioned it to my sister in law- not knowing much about specifics I told her I guessed it would add $100 to the price for netflix. She didn't flinch- thought it was a great idea so that's all she will look at- the small handfull of players with netflix.

    Had they not already been annoyed about tivo and the whole cable mess I probably could have talked her into getting a new S3 instead.
    (I gave them an S1 as a gift years ago with lifetime, then they got an S2- then they got cable HD around the time when tivo had no HD offering and they moved to cable DVR- then S1 dies and since they have a cabledvr they dont need to really spend the money on a new drive fo rthe S1 so they stop using it- then tivo doesn't reach out just but jacks their bill on the S2 since no longer MSD elgible- they're about done with tivo for now- maybe if an OCAP tivo ever shows up...)
     
  11. Dec 11, 2008 #71 of 131
    ciper

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    I only read the first page of this thread before deciding to comment.

    Tivo loses many possible new subscriptions to cable users who can get a DVR for very little. There are also many who have been paying for the monthly fee on an SD Tivo who have switched to the Cable DVR for a similar monthly fee except that it gets VOD and HD.

    Tivo needs to implement a hardware lease option. Lets say you pay 18$ a month with no upfront fee and you get the Tivo hardware with a stipulation that if you decide to cancel and the hardware is not returned you get charged (just like the cable company).
    Not only would it allow people to choose the premium Tivo rental over the Cable co DVR but it would also let those who are unsure about Tivo to try it out for a while without any real commitment.

    I'm curious how all of you feel about my suggestion.
     
  12. Dec 11, 2008 #72 of 131
    bluelinex

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    I would like to just rent a DVR from the cable company with TIVO service & pay an extra fee. This way if the box breaks down I can go to the cable company office,pick up a new box & be up & running the same day. No stupid cable cards to wait to have installed.
     
  13. Dec 11, 2008 #73 of 131
    wierdo

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    They have the same size hard drive. Somebody's inflating their numbers... :eek:

    And is your DVR from TWC really only $10 a month, or do you have to pay a box fee plus a service fee like those of us on Cox do? (I'd pay $16.21 more a month on my cable bill for the Cox box..takes me about 2 years to recoup the initial cost of the THD, which I got for $249 last christmas)
     
  14. Dec 11, 2008 #74 of 131
    MickeS

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    Yeah, I'm starting to get a bit worried myself. Companies are folding left and right... and TiVo, in spite of having IMO an excellent value for the cost of the product, just can't seem to get it together.

    Yes, I've had some issues with the software, but really... I have a TiVo that works as a Netflix box, Amazon box, Rhapsody player, music player, plays all sorts of downloaded files (using my PC as converter), lets me transfer TV shows to my laptop, and is an OTA AND cable TV recorder, for less than the cost of an iPod, and (even including Rhapsody and Netflix services PLUS TiVo monthly cost) costs less than half of my cell phone plan.

    I mean, we complain about the costs sometimes here, but geez - this is great value for the money.
     
  15. Dec 12, 2008 #75 of 131
    Adam1115

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    Just stopped in to mention how much I love my TiVo...

    :D
     
  16. Dec 14, 2008 #76 of 131
    Mindflux

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    Where do you folks get your numbers from? Here with TWC Austin, I pay a $6.95 HD/DVR service and $5.10 for the digital converter (which I assume is the box DVR too?). Where and how are folks paying upwards to $25 for their DVR? I'm paying $12.05 if my figures are right assuming that both of those listed above are DVR fees. So, for me to rent two cable cards (TWC Austin doesn't seem to have "M" cards) is $2.65 each, plus 12.95 for Tivo + tax (assuming I don't buy a yearly sub or lifetime).

    So, in short it costs me MORE to have a TiVo box than the provided DVR box (not including the up front MSRP $300 for the TiVo HD box).
     
  17. Dec 14, 2008 #77 of 131
    AntennaRocks

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    The way I can't seem to get Tivo to provide the HD antenna channel programming so that I can upgrade my Series 1 to work through my HD converter box, I would STAY AWAY FROM LIFETIME MEMBERSHIPS OR BUYING TIVO HARDWARE. Simply put, "Lifetime service" isn't. Is anyone suing over this yet? Who knows what else they won't provide in the future, and then you could be sitting there with a glorified VCR (I know I am).
     
  18. Dec 15, 2008 #78 of 131
    Da Goon

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    i'll chip in $5 towards the lawyers' fees if you foot the rest of the bill.

    d*****s
     
  19. Dec 15, 2008 #79 of 131
    MickeS

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    It's service for the lifetime of the unit. Welcome to the end of the lifetime of the unit.
     
  20. Dec 15, 2008 #80 of 131
    ZeoTiVo

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    what functionality did you lose again?

    So umm, no, I have not seen anyone else who, umm would publicly state they wanted to sue over something that so obviously looses before it even starts.
     

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