Tivo "lifetime" membership is a blatant lie

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  1. unitron

    unitron Well-Known Member

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    I'm beginning to wonder if it was even possible to transfer stand alone lifetime to a satellite sub.
     
  2. stevel

    stevel Dumb Blond TCF Club

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    Not that can recall.
     
  3. shwru980r

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    The OP stated that Tivo has no record of the TSN of his original stand alone lifetime tivo. This seems to indicate that the lifetime service was transferred to the direct TV account.

    The OP entered into a new contractual agreement when the lifetime service was transferred. The OP can't reasonably expect to hold tivo to the promises of the first agreement, especially if the direct tv tivo did not even exist at the time of the first agreement.
     
  4. unitron

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    But he says he was paying a monthly DVR fee to DirecTV, which indicates that lifetime wasn't transferred.

    I think he might have thought it was (maybe he expected it to happen automagically when he got a DirecTV TiVo), but probably it stayed with the original S1 SA, and whoever got that from him transferred it at some point.
     
  5. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    It doesn't indicate that at all. At best it indicates that it's subscription was transferred, but not where it was transferred to. Any time Tivo transfers service from one tivo to another, the first tivo gets removed from their system. The new one just replaces the old one in the system. That's why a transferred sub on a Premiere can show a subscription start date that was long before the existence of the Premiere.
    It's already been said, but the OP never had a D*Tivo, so he couldn't have transferred the sub because there was nothing to transfer it to.


    That's IF he had done the impossible and had it transferred to a non tivo, but that didn't happen. It is more likely than not that the subscription was transferred by someone that owned the Tivo after the OP.
     
  6. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    He didn't have a directv tivo. He had an HD directv dvr, because according to him, an HD D*Tivo was never made (as we all know).
     
  7. scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    Very easy to miss. The OP is so wrong about so many things it takes a bit of time and effort to sort through all of the details. ;)

    It took me until this morning to realize that the OP never had a D*Tivo to transfer the service to, but by the time I got here you had already caught that one.
     
  8. unitron

    unitron Well-Known Member

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    From the OP's OP:

    "I, like many others, apparently, paid $200 for a lifetime membership back in 1999. I originally had a Tivo stand-alone box, and then I upgraded to a Philips box that had a Directv tuner in it. I absolutely loved the service."

    Apparently this thread is making everybody's eyes glaze over.:)

    I'm puzzled that he gave away or sold the original S1 SA, but kept the box.

    Unless the box to which he referred was the box for the original D*TiVo?

    Would TiVo have records on that box?

    I'd love to talk to whoever got his original S1 SA.
     
  9. Hawkeye22

    Hawkeye22 New Member

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    In order to qualify for a transfer of lifetime...

    Grandfather transfer: The one-time "Grandfather transfer" (for people who purchased Product Lifetime on or before January 21, 2000, and who have not already used their one-time transfer) is still allowed and will also be honored for future hardware releases from TiVo, such as the Series3. If you have any trouble when you call, please mention KDB code 09-07-04 to the agent.

    I transferred my lifetime from an original Phillips stand alone S1 to my TivoHD a few years ago.
     
  10. stevel

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    The Philips box he refers to was a DTiVo.
     
  11. unitron

    unitron Well-Known Member

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    If you mean the OP, he referred to 2 Philips boxes, one SA and one DTV.

    "I, like many others, apparently, paid $200 for a lifetime membership back in 1999. I originally had a Tivo stand-alone box, and then I upgraded to a Philips box that had a Directv tuner in it. I absolutely loved the service."

    As far as I know, the only SA's availible long enough ago to have their lifetimes grandfathered were Philips brand.
     
  12. shaown

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    I don't understand anything you have said:
    1) DirecTV never owned Tivo - period! DirecTV used to sell Samsung, Sony, and other manufacturer boxes that had Tivo tech in - they stopped a while back. This include the HR10-250 with dual HD Tuners.

    2) You reference a Tivo Sales Person told you something blah blah - What? Tivo didn't make boxes back then. If you bought a Series 1 - it was a Phillips or Sony box. You mean the salesperson at a retailer or the activation folks?

    3) You bought a liftetime subscription for the lifetime of the BOX. That how it has ALWAYS worked. There were two exceptions to this
    a) IF you bought a S1 Tivo prior to Jan 2000, there was some vagueness in the T&Cs. To make up for this, Tivo offered those people a free one time Lifetime transfer. This was news ELEVEN YEARS ago - not today.
    b) If you were on DirecTivo (as you were) - they offered Lifetime (who had service on a DirectTivo) until DirectTV took over the subscription management. At that point, people w Lifetime subs. had the 4.99 account fee grandfathered for the life of their account.

    So I see two possibilities.
    You had a box with Lifetime - and you used your one time transfer to switch to DirectTV. DirectTV hosed you and charged you 4.99 a month for a long time. Yell at them.

    Two, you had a box with Lifetime, and never transferred. That box still has lifetime (and is being used by your friend). Get it back and use it if you want to - otherwise you sold/gifted your subscription away.

    Thanks,
    -Shaown
     
  13. shaown

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    The point of a Lifetime membership back then was to save a LOT of money.
    A lifetime broke even pretty fast versus monthly or annual billing, assuming you kept the box for a number of years. I Lifetime all my boxes except the one on 6.95 MSD .
    -Shaown
     
  14. unitron

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    He said he bought his lifetime on a standalone in 1999.

    That means a Philips. Sony SAs weren't availible at that point.
     
  15. lrhorer

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    You paid TiVo for a box that cost them more to build and deliver to you than the amount you paid them. So what's your beef?
     
  16. lrhorer

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    Dream on, McDuff. A WMC PC will cost at least twice what a TiVo with lifetime will. You also will be uhnable to transfer programs to mobile devices or DVD if you are a CATV subscriber on a CATV system that aggresively sets the CCI byte. In my case, that means a WMC PC would be nothing but a $1000 brick.
     
  17. lrhorer

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    And I transferred my service from my Philips S1 TiVo, purchased in 1999, to my first S3 in November 2006. TiVo also offered to keep my S1 active for a year, free of charge, which they did. Now it is no longer subbed, but it can still be used for manual recordings. I use it from time to time to take screen-shots from one of my S3s.

    For free? I was required to pay for my transfer to my S3 back in '06.
     
  18. lrhorer

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    It still is.

    It still does. Admittedly, back in 1999, the broadcast standards were not in anywhere nearly as much flux as is the case today, so a TiVo owner today might expect to keep his DVR for a shorter time than an S1. Resale values are also not quite as high as once they were, but still, many users can come out ahead with a lifetime sub. Of course, no one else offers anything but a lifetime sub, except CATV and satellite companies who lease their DVRs.
     
  19. Hawkeye22

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    Yes, I did this for free around the same time, 2006 I believe. The first CSR was hesitent to do it, so I just called back the next day and got a different CSR to do it. Just be sure to supply them with the correct code, KDB code 09-07-04
     
  20. turbobozz

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    It's not quite as bad as you make it out to be.

    With the ceton card dropping in price to ~$270 and ONE monthly cable card fee, a WMC PC and an xbox extender could easily be on par with with two lifetime S4's in short term as far as price goes.

    A WMC PC doesn't need to be a god box at all.

    TiVo and WMC both have their advantages and disadvantages, but price really isn't a huge differentiator unless you are talking about a single TV.

    I can and do stream WMC recordings to iPad.
    Dodging the CCI byte by hacking TiVo... I'm pretty sure you can do that with WMC recordings too.
    (I admittedly haven't tried, but I've seen the topic come up.)
     

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