TiVo Launches $50 Streaming Video Player to Take On Apple TV, Roku, Amazon Fire TV

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  1. BillyClyde

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    AT&T TV sort of does at their retail stores. Sling could on their websites.
     
  2. NashGuy

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    As I've explained before, AT&T TV, while technically structured as OTT (i.e. their servers will work with client devices over any IP network, not just AT&T's own), is sold in a way that makes it more like an operator's own managed IPTV service: it comes with its own dedicated, customized box which is only available to those who take the service; it cannot be signed up for through apps on third-party devices but must be purchased directly from AT&T (through their website, stores, or by phone); it requires a 2-year contract; and it is mainly marketed by AT&T as a bundle deal with their own broadband service.

    This is very different from Sling. AT&T's direct competitor to Sling (and other OTT services) is AT&T TV Now. None of the things I mention in the paragraph above are true of Sling (or AT&T TV Now or YouTube TV or Hulu with Live TV or Fubo TV).

    Even though AT&T TV isn't exactly like the managed IPTV services that typically use Android TV Operator Tier boxes, it's apparently close enough from Google's perspective to allow them to use Android TV Operator Tier. Because they're doing it. Yet I'm unaware of any other OTT service that does so with a fully customized UI like AT&T TV has.

    I don't know why Sling wouldn't do the same thing with their AirTV Mini if they could rather than having to share the device's UI/UX with Google via their standard Android TV home screen for retail devices (the same one used by the Nvidia Shield TV, TiVo Stream 4K, Mi Box, etc.). It seems likely to me that Google has a rule that retail streaming devices, even those branded and sold by an OTT video service like Sling, cannot do the full UI customization that Android TV Operator Tier allows. The concession that Google apparently gave Sling on the AirTV Mini, though, is to let the box boot up into their own Sling app.

    At any rate, this speculation about the exact rules of what does and doesn't qualify for full access to Google's Android TV Operator Tier is essentially beside the point unless Sling or some other OTT cable TV service chose to completely replace their own UI with the TiVo Hydra UI. And that's pretty unlikely. Sling took a small step in that direction with their agreement to let their Sling app interface with the TiVo Stream app on the TiVo Stream 4K (just as PlayStation Vue and Philo did with the Fire TV's native grid guide). But even if Google's Android TV Operator Tier rules would allow it, I can't imagine Sling striking a deal with TiVo to let the Sling service work with, and be completely subsumed by, the same overall TiVo Hydra UI that's used on managed IPTV boxes from RCN and other MSOs.

    I mean, anything's possible, I guess. It's just very far-fetched. As cwoody222 said, "Keep dreaming."
     
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  3. mschnebly

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    I didn't think they were allow to sell retail. I know Comcast cant and Cox cant (or wont, I don't know). I had heard the ones Tivo makes for Cable Cos. that are IPTV cant be sold retail. It sounds like these would all be rent only. I guess if Sling or Tivo did it they could try to rent them?
     
  4. mrizzo80

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    Anyone else notice on 4x3 content that the backlight is too bright? The black bars are basically gray. I have an LCD TV, so I don’t expect jet black bars, but it’s almost distracting. Fire TV handled this better.
     
  5. BillyClyde

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    I’m sure it’s ALL because of money. If Sling wanted to pay the piper (Google), they’d be able to use the Operator Tier I am sure.

    Sling didn’t want to for their AirTV and TiVo didn’t want to pay up for the Stream 4K. So they cheapened out and just built a lame app and watered down hardware. Simple as that.
     
  6. cwoody222

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    TiVo. Is. Not. A. MSO.

    They could not have paid Google to use operator tier on the Stream 4k. Period.
     
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  7. BillyClyde

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    Proof? Links? Documents? Regulations? Do you work for or contract with TiVo? Google?

    They have TiVo+ channels and lineup, so what does that make them then?

    Bet you dollars to doughnuts if TiVo coughed up enough money to Google, it would happen. Not saying it will or they’re actually pursuing that, but if they did, it would.

    Even so, we’ve already “established” that and moved onto Sling as the MSO, which they are and can do. That was the gist of what I was saying.

    Amazing how sure you can be based on only speculation and no actual proof, at least yet.
     
  8. cwoody222

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    Sling is not an MSO either!

    And even if they are (they’re not), they don’t make the Sling 4k! Whatever they are is completely irreverent to the Sling 4k.

    The ONLY way the Sling 4k could use the operator tier is if TiVo is considered an MSO by google and that is nowhere near in the realm of possibility - with or without TiVo+.
     
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  9. BillyClyde

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    Proof? Links? Documents? Regulations? Or pure speculation?
     
  10. cwoody222

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    None.

    Just an intelligent understanding of the industry and business we’re discussing here.
     
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  11. Brian Docili

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    Since I am reading Page 1 of 97 pages, this has probably already been brought up to you a million times, but to be clear, Apple TV does that as well. It notices the shows that I am streaming on all of the different apps out there and when a new episode appears, it shows up on the "What's next" part of AppleTV. I have FireTV, Roku, Chromecast and to me, this is what makes AppleTV great. I am anxious to see if the Tivo experience is similar. i am sorry if I am beating a dead horse. I can't read all 98 pages here.
     
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  12. cwoody222

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    In theory yes that’s how TiVo is supposed to work too.

    But for years they’ve had issues where new episodes or even whole new series will sometimes take WEEKS to show up as available.

    It’s really not a feature you can depend on, unfortunately.
     
  13. NashGuy

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    There's no point in arguing with him. Just let him believe whatever he wants to believe. Others around here, like super moderator Dan203, were also hoping/speculating that the TiVo Stream 4K would work like TiVo's Next-Gen IPTV boxes (which run on Android TV Operator Tier and have the full Hydra UI), except in conjunction with a nationwide OTT streaming cable TV service (such as Sling) rather than a regional MSO's own IPTV service.

    But at this point, reality has set in among TiVo die-hards and only BillyClyde seems to think that such a thing might possibly ever happen.
     
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  14. Brian Docili

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    One thing I will say: I have a Sony TV with built in Android TV and that UI sucks. I am assuming TiVO adds their own layer that makes this better, but I could not stand using Sony's interface to Android TV.
     
  15. Brian Docili

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    Can anyone tell me if Stream 4k can logon to the hotels? Of the existing players, only Amazon Fire was able to do it in the past because they have to bring up a web browser and allow you to move your cursor around and put in your name and hotel room number. That is the main reason I still have Fire TV stick. If I could replace that with Stream 4k dongle and still use it at hotels, that would be exciting.
     
  16. mdavej

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    Tivo is just another app. The UI is unchanged. If you want a totally different UI on Android TV, get an AT&T TV box. But that's far worse than the base Android TV UI in my opinion since you no longer have access to most of the system settings and it starts streaming the moment you turn it on. And of course AT&T TV service is insanely expensive, as much as traditional cable or satellite.

    Google's new upcoming Chromecast replacement might improve the situation though.
     
  17. Alex_7

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    Same here, I had to turn off my dynamic contrast and change my tv settings to "Game" that helped turn the bars black for me
     
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  18. NashGuy

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    No one should get an AT&T TV box unless they plan to subscribe to and use the AT&T TV service, given that its UI and remote control are totally customized for it. Of course, that's why AT&T restricts sales of the device to actual AT&T TV customers.

    I haven't used any Android TV device since Google redesigned the home screen to the standard one now in use on the Nvidia Shield, TS4K, Mi Box, etc. It seems to get mixed reviews. I often read that Android TV seems underpowered on smart TVs from Sony and others.

    Anyhow, yes, the redesigned UI in the leaked screenshots for Google's forthcoming Android TV dongle (code-named Sabrina) definitely look like an upgrade to me. Hopefully Google will be able to get all the major apps to work with their universal watchlist feature, as Apple TV has done with everyone except Netflix. That's the tricky part when it comes to creating a great UX with a content-oriented UI.
     
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  19. BillyClyde

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    I could say the same.
     
  20. BillyClyde

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    I didn’t say it would happen. I just said it’s possible. And it is.
     

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