TiVo Launches $50 Streaming Video Player to Take On Apple TV, Roku, Amazon Fire TV

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  1. BillyClyde

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    AT&T TV and AT&T TV Now are OTT services, not tied to the MSO you have serving your home.

    Both logins work on the Osprey box.
     
  2. BillyClyde

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    Too little, too late, I imagine. If the Mi Stick 4K really is shipping for $50 in July, the TS4K is dead. It doesn't work with other TiVo products and the USB-C port* (which is a huge benefit, IMO) works with so few adapters that it's borderline useless.

    Yes, the TS4K has Dolby Vision and the Mi Stick doesn't, but as noted in another thread, there are virtually no TVs that can make use of the advantages of DV, so HDR10 (an open standard and therefore without licensing fees) is more than good enough.

    I hate the remote, too, but I realize some folks like a remote with a ton of buttons.

    Now, if it's actually a FHD/1GB unit that's $50 - with a 4K/2GB unit being more expensive - that's a different story. With the exception of some proprietary goodies Google can bake into their "Sabrina" (aka Chromecast Ultra 2), a device based on the Amlogic S905Y2 isn't worth more than $50, IMO. I could see Xiaomi doing something like $35 for the FHD version and $50 for the 4K variant, though why anyone would opt for the FHD version to save $15, I don't know.

    *EDIT: might be that the Mi Stick 4K does, in fact, come with a USB-C port for power which, in theory, could allow for power pass-through and hub/Ethernet adapter usage.
     
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  4. aaronwt

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    WTH?? Caused by the device not pairing correctly. I don't think so. It's like that because TiVo screwed up. They didn't even have an option for SDR output.
     
  5. NashGuy

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    True. AT&T TV is technically OTT although they don't sell it the same way that OTT services are typically sold. It comes with a dedicated box (which isn't sold at retail, only with the service), it can be bundled with their own internet service, and it has a contract. None of those things are true for AT&T TV Now or other OTT services like YouTube TV, Hulu, etc. Probably for those reasons, Google allows AT&T TV to use Android TV Operator Tier, the same as they allow for the IPTV boxes issued by RCN, WOW!, and other MSOs.
     
  6. BillyClyde

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    I think they mean not pair into the proper HDR mode correctly. Mine was strange and unsaturated but when I forced it to prefer standard HDR it made it look correct, as I stated a long time ago and they referenced in the article here too.
     
  7. BillyClyde

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    Key word is “probably”. I guess we will see when or if some other OTT tries to do the same thing.

    Either way, if they’re allowed or not, that’s the way I would personally prefer it.
     
  8. NashGuy

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    Bottom line is that Google controls the Android TV platform and they're not going to totally cede control of its UI over to TiVo on an Android TV retail device the way you would prefer. Why should they? But at least Google offers a semi-open platform, which is more than can be said for Apple TV, Roku, or Fire TV.
     
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  9. BillyClyde

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    They wouldn’t cede it to TiVo. It would be to Sling, as I said.
     
  10. cwoody222

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    For what product? Not for the Stream 4k because Sling is not the manufacturer or seller of that device.

    The only company would MAYBE would be able to use the Operator Tier for the Stream 4k is TiVo.
     
  11. NashGuy

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    Well, the new Peacock app will be landing on the TS4K and other Android TV devices (along with Apple devices and the Xbox One) on its July 15 launch date. Android and Android TV users will get the $5 Peacock Premium tier for free until Oct. 15.

    Peacock streaming service is coming to Android TV and Chromecast

    Roku and Amazon Fire TV have yet to reach a carriage deal for Peacock, same as with the new HBO Max app.

    Wonder if we'll see the TiVo Stream app integrate Peacock?
     
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  12. BillyClyde

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    There’s no reason Sling couldn’t be the MSO and hardware manufacturer and contract partner with TiVo to use their UI.

    I’m done. I’ve said all I have to say.
     
  13. zyzzx

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    I can’t keep up with these streaming apps. How does Peacock differ from the current NBC streaming app?
     
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  14. cwoody222

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    So you’re talking about a hypothetical product that doesn’t exist, one made/sold by Sling but yet defaults to the TiVo UI, using the Android Operator Tier.

    I thought we were here talking about the Stream product. Not hypotheticals.

    Plus, why would Sling ever sell a product that default boots to Tivis software?!

    Keep dreaming.
     
  15. NashGuy

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    Well, to watch most of the stuff in the current NBC app, you need to get NBC as part of a cable TV package and then use those credentials to access the app.

    Peacock will be its own standalone service, kind of like Hulu. It'll have a bunch of older shows and movies in the free tier and then if you upgrade to the Premium tier ($5), you'll get more stuff, including a few new Peacock Originals, plus next-day access to all NBC shows (same as you can get in the NBC app), early same-day access to their late night shows, etc. Peacock will contain a lot more content than just the stuff currently airing on NBC. If you want to remove adds from the whole thing, then that's another $5 ($10 total). But if you get cable TV and/or broadband from Comcast or Cox, you get the Premium tier for free.

    Frankly, it doesn't look super-exciting to me but I should be getting Peacock Premium for free as a Comcast broadband customer, so I'll check it out. Although it's not clear to me if I'll be able to claim my free subscription without taking one of their free Flex streaming boxes too, which I don't really want...

    Peacock - Stream TV and Movies Online, Watch Live News and Sports
     
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  16. Noelmel

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    I believe it will replace it with an update like how HBO NOW turned into MAX. Not 100% sure but it will have all that content plus originals (Saved By The Bell & Punky Brewster Reboots plus more new shows)


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  17. zyzzx

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    Ah, gotcha. I'm able to authenticate the current NBC streaming app through my cable sub. Thanks.
     
  18. NashGuy

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    Yeah. I mean, hypothetically, if an OTT streaming cable TV service like Sling were to strike a deal with TiVo to license their Hydra UI and use it as the native UI in the Sling app rather than their own design, well, then, yes, they could put that UI on their own custom Android TV device (and in their app for every other device platform too).

    Except the TiVo Hydra UI still wouldn't take over the entire device to the extent that it does on an Android TV Operator Tier IPTV box, like the ones from RCN and a few other MSOs. In the Sling hypothetical, the device would be just like Sling's current AirTV Mini in that it would boot up in the Sling (with TiVo Hydra UI) app but it would still have to use Google's standard Android TV launcher/home screen. It would have a button on the remote to get you there and that's where you'd have to go to launch or install third-party apps. Just below is what that looks like on the existing AirTV Mini. It would be no different if Sling used the TiVo Hydra UI in their app.

    slingairtvandroid-100809180-large.jpg

    But if you look at TiVo's "Next-Gen Platform" IPTV boxes running full-on Android TV Operator Tier and issued by MSOs such as RCN for their managed IPTV service, TiVo's Hydra UI *replaces* the standard Google Android TV launcher. These boxes don't have a screen that looks like the one above. In this case, the cable TV service running the Hydra UI doesn't even look like an app from the perspective of the user. It appears to be the entire system that the box runs. If you want to launch or install third-party apps, you click on the "Apps & Games" banner in the Hydra UI and it takes you to a screen like the one below. (Note how the current cable channel you're watching is still visible in the upper right corner of the screen.)

    TiVo managed Android TV.jpeg

    It's not apparent to the user this the box is even running Android TV other than the fact that it features Google Assistant and, in the Apps & Games section, has the Google Play Store app.
     
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  19. BillyClyde

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    I didn’t say it couldn’t be the Stream 4K. You did. I just answered based on that hypothetical you threw out there....
    .....plus, TiVo has made hardware for MSOs before, wIth their UI on it too!

    Why would Comcast partner with TiVo? Why would RCN partner with TiVo? Why would DirecTV partner with TiVo? Why would Service Electric partner with TiVo? Why would Evolution Digital partner with TiVo?

    Answer: They can build a better UI than an MSO, and the MSO knows it. That is, until they can steal most of it and try to launch their own horrible version, if they have the will and the capital. (I’m looking at you, Comcast and DirecTV!)

    How do you KNOW for a fact they wouldn’t do your second example and HAVE TO use the first example? The second is EXACTLY what AT&T TV is, and we’ve established that’s an OTT service. So why oh Mensa TCF members can’t Sling do it if they wanted to? Hint....they can....if they wanted to.
     
  20. mschnebly

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    Do any of your examples sell a retail box with the Tivo UI on them?
     

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