TiVo Launches $50 Streaming Video Player to Take On Apple TV, Roku, Amazon Fire TV

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  1. Jan 8, 2020 #121 of 726

    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

    Jul 6, 2002
    Tivo has a long history of pre-announced features never making it to the market so I think you'll find most of us have been burned enough to never assume a feature will appear until after we actually see it released.
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  2. Jan 8, 2020 #122 of 726

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2005
    And yet, I still get sucked in . . . . :rolleyes:
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  3. Jan 8, 2020 #123 of 726

    OrangeCrush Active Member

    Feb 18, 2016
    Which is funny, because Sling TV's own AirTV (which TiVo's offering appears to be based upon) does exactly that.

    Hardware made by somebody else + software made by somebody else + smearing TiVo logos on it and making a skin for the UI = Profit?

    Privacy is a concern for me as well, but unfortunately, I don't see any available options that are all that much better than one another right now. All of our hardware spies on us as soon as we connect it to the Internet.

    I'll admit that I'm salty about all the broken promises and customer-hostile behavior. But if they're using powerful enough components in this and it's a competent streamer without performance problems, then it'll a good product at a good price point with a great remote. I especially appreciate having power and volume, so many others omit those. If all that bears out, I'd be happy to recommend this to friends and family.

    However, experience has taught me to temper my expectations and pay no attention to what they say until the hardware and software is shipping. They are also very very late to the game, so I'm not seeing how this saves the company, so I'm not confident in their ability to support a product longer term.
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  4. Jan 8, 2020 #124 of 726

    srazook New Member

    Mar 28, 2010
    I actually like this product, yes there are a lot of other streaming devices Roku, Amazon Fire and Apple TV. But this device is the only one that incorporates Live Streaming TV into its own grid guide/UI. It looks like you’ll have a familiar TiVo channel guide for searching, viewing and recording shows. The only problem I have is they partnered with Sling as their Streaming TV provider. Sling doesn’t have any, or at least very few local channels available. I know some people aren’t concerned about having the ability to stream live local channels, but many like myself are. PLEASE TiVo find a way to integrate Streaming Live Local Channels along with everything else you’ve incorporated into the device and I think you’ll have a winner!!
  5. Jan 8, 2020 #125 of 726

    cwoody222 Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 1999
    Buffalo, NY
    Is there a demo video anywhere yet?

    Zatz doesn’t have one yet :(
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  6. Jan 8, 2020 #126 of 726

    babsonnexus Member

    Jan 13, 2016
    On TiVO's website, you can download the Media Kit which contains a video and pictures, though it doesn't show much.

    CES 2020 | TiVo

    I found page 2 of the data sheet most interesting:


    So here's an interesting thought: even though it won't integrate from legacy TiVO products from the start (or ever, we'll see), with Chromecast we could cast the TiVO Android app to the device. I actually ran into this problem over vacation because my phone only casts to Chromecast and thus won't cast to Roku, and the TiVO website won't allow out of home streaming most of the time (my laptop can cast to Roku no problem). I have not wanted to buy a Chromecast just to allow me to cast my phone to a TV, so I was sticking with just the Roku's. However, this TiVO device theoretically has the TiVO promise of integrated OnePass across all apps with single interface making it much more worthwhile for a $50 test run.

    Because of that, I think I'm game to take a $50 gamble on this one. Worst cast scenario I bought a decent Chromecast device for the times I need one (like showing pictures on a TV at the old folks place). Best case scenario, this will get integration from TiVO's legacy products so I can have a single interface of my OTA channels/recordings, TiVO+ channels (with the live guide version someone showed in an earlier picture), live guide from other source (SlingTV, Hulu Live, YouTubeTV, Locast[?!?!?!]), all OTT content from various providers, and--dare I say it--profiles for different users and better organizational options.

    Either way, this is the closest I have seen to a single interface for all content aggregation yet. Of course, the devil will be in details (re: metadata), and TiVO hasn't had a great track record. But this is $50 gamble, not an $800 one, so it is relatively safe to give it a whirl.
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  7. Jan 8, 2020 #127 of 726

    stuart628 Member

    Jul 5, 2006
    So I was pretty negative on this at first, but This answers everyones problems and people are really hating on it. Just give me a few things to explain here

    #1. Unified search...This is a big thing and its only going to get worse, where is this show playing where is this at, what app amc or tnt has this show...blah blah blah. Without a guide it makes it very hard to find what you want..and its only going to get worse.
    #2. Live tv prices: They partnered with sling and this could be a very good thing. Sling is what 45 a month for all their channels (no add ons) then lets say tivo is 15 a month, that is 60 a month. That gets you one of the top live tv streaming services and OTA locals IF PLEASE READ THIS IF tivo does what they say ( I know I know track record here) and incorprates this like a mini. Honestly this is a very good chance for tivo to come through and you cant deny that and change how people feel about them. This would push adoption of this device+tivo a little more also gives everyone a nice guide (older folks) and hopefully makes transitions easier.
    #3. One device to rule them all....A lot of unknowns on this one but Tivo has a chance here as its not released...dont screw it up.

    There are some pretty big positives that could happen with this device if done properly. A lot of media coverage is really high on it and honestly if there was a company to do this right it would be tivo with all their patents....but if they dont and they continue with the tivo way from the last couple years then yep it is very deserving of the negativity and maybe it is time to leave tivo.
  8. Jan 8, 2020 #128 of 726

    jcthorne Well-Known Member

    Jan 28, 2002
    Channels DVR is already integrating OTA and OTT streaming in a single guide/DVR/Search application. It actually works pretty well on an Nvidia Shield.
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  9. Jan 8, 2020 #129 of 726

    jcthorne Well-Known Member

    Jan 28, 2002
    Tivo pioneered universal search years ago. And it ALMOST worked right before they ditched Gracenote program data for Rovi. When that happened the search results went so far off base it became useless along with onepass and other integration tools. As long as they are using Rovi for the data, this new face on the same data cannot give any better answers. The data is not there. Worse, it cannot integrate local content on Tivo or Plex either...BIG holes. For universal search, its got too much missing data to be useful.
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  10. Jan 8, 2020 #130 of 726

    stuart628 Member

    Jul 5, 2006
    But as a search that incorporates streaming apps, and netflix and prime and all those, could it work...I understand the local plex holes but most cord cutters are not going that route...that is too complex for most people. The one pass manager experience netflix has is still better then most out there. People are catching on, but again I am not saying tivo is 100% there but has a chance to jump out in front.
  11. Jan 8, 2020 #131 of 726

    tommiet Active Member

    Oct 28, 2005
    That's what they said they would do LAST YEAR..... Still waiting....
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  12. Jan 8, 2020 #132 of 726

    tommiet Active Member

    Oct 28, 2005
    I do have a couple of Amazon TV devices.. But I normally use my TV's built in apps to watch streaming stuff. My Samsung TV also has the Disney app too. The ONLY app I use on my TiVo is Netflix.

    TiVo is just out of touch with the business and its customers.
  13. Jan 8, 2020 #133 of 726

    schatham Well-Known Member

    Mar 17, 2007
    Even if it's the same as a Roku I will get this for the remote. I hate the tiny remotes on Roku and Apple TV.
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  14. Jan 8, 2020 #134 of 726

    Joe3 Active Member

    Dec 12, 2006
    Boston MA
    What they announced. How can they be trusted to deliver?

    Where are their apps they announced at last year's CES?

    Rovi has upended TiVo 's consumer electronics status for a milking customer device. They should have not been allowed to return to CES after lying last year.

    Believe anything they say at CES at your own risk of huge dissatisfaction and disappointment.
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  15. Jan 8, 2020 #135 of 726

    NashGuy Well-Known Member

    May 2, 2015
    Heh. Well, I'm cautiously optimistic about this device. As others have said, we'll have to see how well TiVo handles the metadata from the various streaming sources to successfully pull off a unified UI that presents and tracks content commingled from various leading apps/services. I'll be watching the reviews come in. If it's good enough, I just might buy one and switch to it over my Apple TV 4K.

    AFAIK, I was the first one on this forum years ago yammering on about how TiVo should adopt some form of Android (either skin their own version of open-source Android like Amazon did with Fire TV, or more simply just adopt Google's Android TV) because that was the only plausible way for them to solve their sad situation with streaming apps. So I'm happy to see that they've done it for a retail consumer device.

    Here's all I can tell you: Comcast had developed an Android TV version of their Stream app and showed it off running on an Nvidia Shield TV device a long while ago. (Couple years?) But it was just a beta demo thing at some kind of trade show. They've never officially announced any plans to support Android TV and I'm pretty sure that Comcast doesn't even authenticate TV everywhere apps (like HBO Go and Showtime Anytime) for use on Android TV devices. So don't get your hopes up.

    If Comcast ever does decide to support any Android TV devices, I suspect that they'll do what Netflix and Amazon do, which is to only roll out their app to whichever select Android TV devices they want, rather than release the app in the Play Store for installation on anything. Android TV is a weird platform in that it's used both in retail devices and also -- perhaps even more so -- in pay TV operators' devices. In fact, the future of pay TV set-top box operating systems seems to be coming down to RDK (a software stack developed and backed by Comcast, Charter and Liberty Global) vs. Google's Android TV Operator Tier (used by the new AT&T TV, Sling, and gobs of non-US operators). So I really don't know if we'll ever see Comcast support Android TV at all.
  16. Jan 8, 2020 #136 of 726

    mdavej Well-Known Member

    Aug 13, 2015
    Both of those will work with any universal remote, any size you want. How about this one?
  17. Jan 8, 2020 #137 of 726

    pj1983 Active Member

    Dec 26, 2016
    BFE NoVa
    That's a new and improved remote for units running TE4, right? No need for thumbs!
  18. Jan 8, 2020 #138 of 726

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    Columbia, MD
    They offer zero here too. I think they are relying on antennas.
  19. Jan 8, 2020 #139 of 726

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    Columbia, MD
    Roku will. Apple TV functionality is limited with a universal remote as you have to trick it.
  20. Jan 8, 2020 #140 of 726

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

    Jan 19, 2008
    Silicon Valley
    The SofaBaton U1 seems to promise ATV compatibility. I'm thinking of trying a few of these on our various combinations of Fire TV, screens, sound, TiVo Minis, and Blu-Ray players. I too was in love with the TiVo peanut remote once... but TiVo lost me.


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