TiVo Launches $50 Streaming Video Player to Take On Apple TV, Roku, Amazon Fire TV

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  1. Jan 7, 2020 #81 of 592
    tommiet

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    I give it less than a year.... Too many others that have history of providing a nice product. Just way too late to get into this game.
     
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    Puppy76

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    Hmmm....wow.

    So my #1 concern is, how long does this get OS support for? Amazon does terribly (and also leaves their Firetv devices permanently in pairing mode, which is insecure). Roku seems to do pretty well...I think through to their third gen devices are still currently supported.

    I’d be super leery buying an android device without constant OS support, and the TiVo interface doesn’t sound that useful to me since regardless you’re going to be stuck using various interfaces. Remote might be good though...certainly better than apple’s horrible one.

    but the thing this needs, obviously (which everyone has pointed out) is SUPPORT FOR THEIR OWN DVRS. I mean duh?

    and I’m not trusting their future promises after waiting a year for the seemingly almost finished apps that never came.

    I thought MAYBE this absorbed the Android app made for the FireTV, and they thought it would be a way to give themselves an edge in the hardware market. But noooope. At least not yet.

    it’s sort of like if apple released the Apple Watch, and it only worked in conjunction with Windows PCs...like huh? You don’t make it work with YOUR MAIN PRODUCT?!?

    I don’t know if they just don’t want to cannibalizes sales of the outlandishly expensive TiVo Mini?

    and $70? I mean that’s not terrible, except it is when Roku and Amazon sell you something similar for less, and quite possibly better, and both sell higher end devices for $100 and $120 respectively.

    the only thing to me this has going for it right now is it’s the first Android TV device from an actual reputable company for less than $150, buuuut that seems a bit flimsy to me.

    I guess the Apple TV can sort of work with a TiVo? That it’s the only thing you can “cast” to, and hopefully the remote works?

    ironically if it more or less works, it’s the best streaming device if you have a TiVo and want to use it in another room. And cheaper than a TiVo mini in many cases!
     
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  3. Jan 7, 2020 #83 of 592
    jlb

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    Doesn’t interest me at all at this point. My Bolt is working fine while I still have cable content. And I use my Apple TV for streaming and NOT the bolt apps. I want something that essentially becomes something that has mini capabilities or let’s me access my recorded content while away from home easily.


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  4. Jan 7, 2020 #84 of 592
    Joe3

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    Is the TiVo app in the Google Play Store? If it is you would get access to your TiVo DVR.
     
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  5. Jan 7, 2020 #85 of 592
    NashGuy

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    This device will come with a special TiVo app built in. (That's what pops up when you hit the TiVo button on its remote.) TiVo has stated that right now, you cannot use this device as you would a TiVo Mini, to access TiVo DVRs, but they hope to add that functionality in the future.
     
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  6. Jan 7, 2020 #86 of 592
    jlb

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    Yeah, but the question is how long?


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    Puppy76

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    It should be, but is not.
    They never even announced a version for Android tv, although presumably it could be identical or almost identical to the vapor ware FireTV version.
     
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    NashGuy

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    Heh. Good question, especially considering that they were talking about releasing Mini-like apps for Apple TV, Fire TV, etc. at LAST YEAR'S CES and they've yet to be released!
     
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  9. Jan 7, 2020 #89 of 592
    Puppy76

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    considering the AppleTV, Roku, and FireTV all came out 6 months ago...oh, wait, that was vaporware. I wouldn’t hold my breath for it, or buy it thinking it will come.
    Right now the only streaming box that sort of works with them (at least in conjunction with an iOS device) is the AppleTV, and I don’t know how well that actually works.
     
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    trip1eX

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    Yeah except most people with Tivos who have more than 1 tv have MInis. IF they really hated the streaming they probably already have a streaming box for that nevermind their tv might have it built-in.

    Good chance that watching recordings on this would be worse than watching them on a Mini aka would be even less responsive. IF so, would you buy one still?

    And then it doesn't the solve the lack of apps on the Tivo itself. Your other tvs would have app support with this but the presumably main tv with the Tivo would not. Unless you bought one of these for that tv too. And switched inputs when streaming (in which case any streaming box would do) or you ran a headless Tivo.

    I think this is for people who don't own Tivos. I mean the Sling partnership says it all right? The unified UI for streaming says it all.

    At the same time, if they are still doing Tivo apps for ATV and FireTV and Roku, I"m sure one comes for this device too. Maybe they are just far behind on that. Typical. UNless they decided to drop support for apps that access Tivo recordings. If I was running the company, I wouldn't put my few resources into something that I didn't think was the future.
     
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  11. Jan 7, 2020 #91 of 592
    tivolocity

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    Agreed. Why would anyone buy this over the other streaming devices? Including most current TiVo users since it doesn't connect to the existing hardware? I certainly wouldn't. Plus, there can't be much of a profit margin. They should have just created an app.
     
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    mdavej

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    I'll believe it when I see it. Channel Master said the same thing about their Android TV "Stream+" OTA DVR box. Turned out it could only install a handful of apps from the Play Store. Among the apps missing were some pretty big ones like Netflix and Prime. Even the Nvidia Shield requires sideloading several apps. I wouldn't be surprised at all if lots of apps were unavailable/prohibited, especially those that compete with Sling.

    In any case, no actual Tivo integration makes this very underwhelming. It's just another underpowered Android TV box whose only unique feature is running the extremely crappy Tivo+ app which most people are trying to remove from their Bolts and Roamios.
     
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  13. Jan 7, 2020 #93 of 592
    mdavej

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    They're not singling our your area. Sling offers ZERO locals in ALL areas. The only way to get locals on Sling is via antenna. Any NBC, FOX, etc. that you see in the lineup are national feeds or on-demand only.
     
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  14. Jan 7, 2020 #94 of 592
    mdavej

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    That's what Channel Master said about their Stream+. Wasn't even close. AT&T's Osprey box is also Android TV, but has access to an extremely limited set of Play Store apps. Just because it's Android TV doesn't mean access to everything. I wager it will be locked down pretty tight. I hope I'm wrong.
     
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  15. Jan 7, 2020 #95 of 592
    Dan203

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    Yeah I don't know about that. If they intend this to compete with FireTV, AppleTV, etc... then they would almost have to allow you access to all of the apps or it would be even less useful.

    One thing to consider is that Android TV itself is a bit locked down. Only apps uploaded with a manifest file that specifically supports TV are shown in the Android TV store. So it's not the same as an Android phone or tablet.
     
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    cwoody222

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    I did not know that, thank you!
     
  17. Jan 7, 2020 #97 of 592
    NashGuy

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    Netflix has its own set of security requirements and they require each individual streaming device to be blessed by them to get the Netflix app. That never happened for the Stream+.

    As for the Prime Video app, for years they were only offering it to select Android TV devices (e.g. Sony smart TVs, Nvidia Shield TV) on which the app was pre-installed. But after somewhat burying the hatchet with Google, they're making it more widely available for Android TV but it still requires each OEM rolling out their own software update to their devices to deliver/enable the app.

    All that said, we know Netflix is pre-installed on the TiVo Stream 4K (as the remote has a dedicated Netflix button). And the UI shots for the device, as well as TiVo's product page for it, tout Prime Video. So I think it's safe to believe that both of those apps will come pre-installed.

    I don't know if there's anything special about the Android TV version of the Hulu app. It's on the Google Play Store but Google may give TV operators the option of disallowing access by their own Android TV Operator Tier devices to apps in the Store that are direct competitors to their own cable TV service. This may be why, for instance, AT&T TV's Osprey box can't download Hulu from Google Play (if in fact it can't -- I don't know).

    I'm pretty sure Google would insist that all their own apps, including YouTube TV, be available on any retail-sold Android TV device such as the TiVo Stream 4K (although perhaps they would allow their pay TV partners like AT&T TV to keep it off the Osprey box?).

    Once you get beyond those few high-profile apps, all other apps are distributed through the Google Play Store to any device that meets minimum hardware requirements (which should be anything capable of running a recent version of Android TV). I'm sure there's still the odd OTT video app here and there that still isn't available on Android TV but it's not missing much at this point other than Apple TV+.
     
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    Dan203

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    Theoretically yes. But the "provider" version of Android TV they're using does allow them to lock it down and block certain apps. I don't really think it would be in TiVo's interest to do that, but who knows what kind of deal they have with Sling or other partners to block out competition.
     
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  19. Jan 7, 2020 #99 of 592
    Dan203

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    That's interesting. So Sling doesn't offer any locals and TiVo makes a DVR specifically to record OTA. If they could seamlessly integrate the two then it could be a decent offering. Although IIRC Sling has some limits on their cloud DVR like only allowing you to keep recordings for 30 days and not allowing you to record anything at all that they offer VOD. So unless they allow TiVo to bypass those restrictions, or record the stream locally, it could be a weird combo.
     
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  20. Jan 7, 2020 #100 of 592
    mdavej

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    That's how I'm reading their website. I've never tried Sling TV myself.
    Watch Locals Online | Sling TV

    Seems like a huge oversight for a device aimed at cord cutters.
     

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