TiVo Launches $50 Streaming Video Player to Take On Apple TV, Roku, Amazon Fire TV

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  1. Jan 13, 2020 #261 of 2169

    BigJimOutlaw Well-Known Member

    Mar 21, 2004


    I would want to see the ACTUAL quote. It's probably not that dramatic, and more in line with what we already know about them getting out of hardware.
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  2. Jan 13, 2020 #262 of 2169

    EWiser Active Member

    Oct 2, 2008
    Because the Edge was already to release. Might as well dump it on the market and get some sales. Before they change direction again.
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  3. Jan 13, 2020 #263 of 2169

    spiderpumpkin Say no to Hydra!

    Dec 1, 2017
    I've searched for the interview article but I can't find it. Someone mentioned Axios but not seeing it there. Does anyone have an actual link to where that Tivo CEO says they want to get out of the DVR business?
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  4. Jan 13, 2020 #264 of 2169

    keenanSR Well-Known Member

    Oct 12, 2004
    Santa Rosa CA
    TiVo unveils its (tiny) new video streaming device at CES

    You could also email the author and see if she can provide anything beyond the posted quote.

    Kia Kokalitcheva on Axios
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  5. Jan 13, 2020 #265 of 2169

    Joe3 Active Member

    Dec 12, 2006
    Boston MA


    Putz CEO was installed like the other dumb CEO putzes by the same TiVo Board. It's the Board that has to be investigated for conflicts of interest. Bet you dollars to donuts, one or two TiVo Board members are in a conflict relationship (maybe with Hollywood) and would personally benefit from TiVo's Demise. The constant string of putzes is too much to be a coincidence and the spotlight at this point must be placed on the Board.
  6. Jan 13, 2020 #266 of 2169

    cwoody222 Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 1999
    Buffalo, NY
    Exactly, I looked for that quote and can’t find it. I think the author is exaggerating for drama’s sake.
  7. Jan 13, 2020 #267 of 2169
    Phil T

    Phil T Well-Known Member

    Oct 29, 2003
    I have a Sony TV that runs on Android TV and I am not impressed. I have seen multiple updates but it is terrible to use for OTA TV. The guide is hard to use with multiple button presses to get to live TV. Many times it locks up/freezes or reboots which takes several minutes to get back to a picture. The TiVO interface, even with its forced ads and flaws, is much nicer.
  8. Jan 13, 2020 #268 of 2169

    spiderpumpkin Say no to Hydra!

    Dec 1, 2017
    I only mentioned Android TV as the operating system because that's what they chose to go with the new stick, and they also have been using Android for some set top boxes they release through cable companies. Also, if Tivo used their interface but built on Android TV OS then we'd have access to all the Android Apps.
  9. Jan 14, 2020 #269 of 2169

    OrangeCrush Active Member

    Feb 18, 2016
    There's actually a decent chance it could work well as a media server. The Nvidia Shield is a great little Plex and/or Channels DVR server, no hacking required. Just add a USB hard drive and install the relevant apps from the built in app store. I don't really expect TiVo to build their own Android-based DVR server, but it's certainly doable. Or one of the third-party DVR platforms might decide to support TiVo's device if it's powerful enough.

    I'm cautiously optimistic that they've got a good product here. I'd be very interested in what is essentially the guts of a Fire TV 4K running Android TV proper instead of Amazon's re-spun version in this price range. I'd be willing to pay a premium to not have Amazon's . . . Amazon-ness . . . smeared over everything on my TV.

    But I question whether TiVo has the resources and commitment to long-term support for this thing. I'm also wary of corner-cutting since they have a track record of releasing underpowered hardware. Hence the "cautiously" part.

    It has my attention and I'll be interested to see real-world reviews when they actually start shipping. They're saying April, so the first test will be if they even make that date and how finished the software is at that point. Deadlines aren't exactly TiVo's strong suit either.

    Please don't judge Android TV by Sony's smart TVs. They are notoriously bad and really skimp on the processor and memory needed to run well. They also meddle with the software, so it's not going to be exactly like the "vanilla" version of Android TV that Google makes. Nvidia's Shield TV streamers are the gold standard for Android TV right now.
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  10. Jan 14, 2020 #270 of 2169

    shwru980r Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2008
    I think there will be a significant amount of returns of this item when customers find out that there is no connectivity with an actual Tivo DVR.
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  11. Jan 14, 2020 #271 of 2169

    foghorn2 Well-Known Member

    May 4, 2004
    Las Vegas
    Good, i'll pick up some open boxes from AZ warehouse for cheaper than $50.

    RETURN THEM, just dont leave Cheese-Toes or Doritos powder on the keys :D
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  12. Jan 14, 2020 #272 of 2169

    NashGuy Well-Known Member

    May 2, 2015
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  13. Jan 14, 2020 #273 of 2169

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

    Jan 19, 2008
    Silicon Valley
    These paragraphs jumped out at me too:

    But as TiVo prepares to merge with Xperi, TiVo's future is also centered on unshackling its software and user experience from set-top boxes.

    "We need to get off the hardware," Shull said. And by "hardware," Shull is really talking about set-top boxes with on-board DVRs. One key aim of the Xperi deal is to help TiVo form a tighter bond with another type of hardware -- connected TVs.

    Among other benefits Shull sees with the Xperi merger is the potential for TiVo's technology to move more aggressively into the connected automobile market...
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  15. Jan 14, 2020 #275 of 2169

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

    Jan 19, 2008
    Silicon Valley
    This is sad. He thinks the Stream 4K includes DVR features that will bring along the existing customer base, but the only DVR in there now is the Sling TV cloud DVR. He thinks that base includes 22 million household customers, but most got their TiVos through cable companies.

    TiVo doesn't have much time to actually start delivering on these opportunities before the market figures this out.
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  16. Jan 15, 2020 #276 of 2169

    jaselzer Active Member

    Sep 10, 2018
    This is truly not meant as a flame, but I noticed that nearly all your posts are extremely negative on TiVo. Are you honestly this down on TiVo? There must be something about TiVo you appreciate; otherwise, why be here?I would be very interested to read what your feelings are about TiVo. Personally, I hope Tivo does well. I truly do like the product and would like to see them be a very competitive factor in the market.

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  17. Jan 15, 2020 #277 of 2169

    Narkul Active Member

    Nov 7, 2004
    Pre-roll ads, the Tivo+ UI virus, death of thumbs up/down recommendations, TiVo_Ted dissing this community then hiding in the bushes, pushing a re-badged piece of hardware while practically abandoning a newly released $350 bug riddled hardware product. It's difficult for me to find anything positive about Tivo atm. I'm on the verge of rooting for their death.
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  18. Jan 15, 2020 #278 of 2169

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2005
    Interesting article--it would be nice, if much of it were to come true. In my mind, though, to start, can TiVo overcome the many years of head-start that Roku, Amazon, and Apple have, and capture any real part of the market? The principal advantage that TiVo seems to have is the concept of an integrated guide--really, continuing with the OnePass idea. But the question in my mind is, will TiVo really invest in this? Or is it simply going to buy and re-badge what other companies are doing (altho query if that could lead to some success).

    Some humor in the article:
    Perhaps the article's author needs to cross-over and read the "Medical Marijuana" thread here, where posters have been warning of the possible marijuana overdose effects from marijuana edibles. It would be interesting to know in what alternate reality the author finds the pre-roll as "successful." (Well, yes, I guess: pre-roll physically can be done (albeit, it hasn't been done well, and has had multiple tech. glitches, some of them major and not simply cosmetic) . . . .)
    Aren't these the current DVR features that Shull specifically had stated would be great to have but that aren't there now, but would be great to look at in the future? Based on its recent track records, TiVo doesn't seem to do so well with "in the future."*

    * I apologize if skepticism comes through in this post--I admit to suffering from a degree of TiVo disappointment, caused by a level of lack of TiVo follow-through and performance on prior announcements; the level of current TiVo performance (have you seen the TiVo Guide recently? and then there's the tick-list of unresolved faults in the recent TiVo Edge platform); and a distrust of things Shull-related from the consumer side, based on his prior and current statements and actions--basically, to him, consumers do not seem to count and exist unless he wants something from them, and then only until he gets what he wants.
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2020
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  19. Jan 15, 2020 #279 of 2169

    Triride44 Member

    Jan 11, 2020
    Sling holds the price down by not offering local Channels. They recommend a OTA antenna, even offer several devices to integrate locals into the EPG (AirTV etc). The locals all get paid by OTT for each customers. Why pay a middle man for free OTA channels ?
  20. Jan 15, 2020 #280 of 2169

    Pacomartin Member

    Jun 11, 2013
    I am a little confused. Is there zero chance that this device will have the capability of replacing the Mini, or is it just a matter of waiting?
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