TiVo Launches $50 Streaming Video Player to Take On Apple TV, Roku, Amazon Fire TV

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  1. NashGuy

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    I'd say that the TS4K remote is definitely better for traditional channel-based TV but, for the kind of app-based on-demand viewing that constitutes the majority of usage on these kinds of devices, simpler remotes are better. I mean, it's not a coincidence that Roku, Fire TV, Apple TV and most Android TV devices ship with those simpler remotes. Those companies, I'm sure, have looked into the preferences and usage patterns of their target market.
     
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  2. mrizzo80

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    I like the TS4k remote. One of the reasons is quick access to various services with ButtonMapper overriding some defaults.

    Netflix —> Netflix
    Guide —> YTTV (Live wouldn’t work)
    TiVo 2x —> YouTube
    TiVo 1x —> ReelGood
     
  3. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    Looks like an iPod click wheel on the google remote
     
  4. Alex_7

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    I have no use for all the number buttons on the remote. They could’ve used that space for proper pause/play FF RW buttons and app shortcuts buttons.
    But I did end up using a few number buttons as remapped buttons.
     
  5. NashGuy

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    I thought the same thing. Or maybe like the circular trackpad wheel that debuted with 3rd gen iPod (which was the first one I bought). Perhaps it's like a combination of both: clickable in four directions, like a traditional D-button, but can be touch-scrolled either clockwise or counterclockwise to quickly scrub forward or backward through a playback timeline (or right and left through a horizontal menu).

    If so, that might combine the best elements of the Apple TV remote, with its useful-yet-frustrating trackpad, and a typical streaming remote.

    A potential concern I have, based on that photo I posted, is how the remote might raise or lower the volume. It clearly has a mute button but I don't see vol up/down. Odd. Maybe they're on the side or bottom of the remote, not viewable in the photo.
     
  6. BillyClyde

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    But those simpler remotes have so much open unused space on them. What’s the issue with just putting other buttons on them like numbers, play/pause, etc. to make life easier for those that use cable type replacement apps where you can punch in direct channel numbers? It wouldn’t take away from what’s already there towards the top of the remotes, nor it’s functionality.

    Maybe these streamer hardware manufacturers can just design and market an alternate remote with all the normal extra buttons, a la’ a cable/satellite type remote for those that use their streamer device in that fashion? This could actually be another revenue source for them.
     
  7. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    Why include a remote that few are likely to make use of? Apple addresses this part of the market by having a pretty strong 3rd party remote config option. Not sure about the other guys.

    Tv is moving towards on-demand streaming and not towards a legacy cabletv clone over the internet so making a big remote for the latter is not the future.

    The big remote is a niche market for a smaller company.

    Harmony remotes are fading in relevance as streaming takes over, says Logitech CEO


    It shows you that the market for the bigger remote isn't what it was. Even on Tivo I never used the number buttons at least not in the last 5-10 years of owning a Tivo. I watched recordings 99% of the time. The numbers were shortcut buttons for me but I used them so rarely that I would forget which one was which. The reality was a simple remote like the ATV remote included all the functionality that I was using on the Tivo remote.
     
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  8. trip1eX

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    Yeah looks like a circle trackpad plus the dpad and center button. It's a good idea on paper at least. as far as volume goes, i haven't seen a pic of the whole remote. I just assume they got something they are comfortable with because it's a frequently used function.

    IF the pics I've seen show every button then they either are going to use voice for volume, or use the circlepad to raise/lower volume with some sort of constraint in place so it isn't accidentally activated in normal use.
     
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  9. NashGuy

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    Interesting article. I'd say the bigger underlying point there with Logitech is the trend toward having all your entertainment in a single device, and therefore having no need for a universal remote.

    I used to love my Logitech Harmony remote but when I got an Apple TV 4K, using it for both streaming and OTA TV, I had little use for the Harmony any more. The ATV4K, my TV and my receiver all support HDMI-CEC, and the ATV4K remote controls the receiver's volume. I do still have a Bluray player, for which I have to use a separate remote, but I couldn't tell you how long it's been since the last time I watched a disc. Physical media is dying.

    There will still be demand for specialized video game consoles like Xbox and PlayStation for awhile longer. But at some point, you have to figure all that will move to the cloud and just exist as an app on the major platforms operated by Google, Apple, Amazon and Roku.
     
  10. Jeeters

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    While I still like my Roamios' peanut remote, I'm also a big fan of the 'simpler' remotes that have become popular. That started last summer when I bought a new Samsung TV that came with one of their "smart remotes". I was apprehensive when I first saw it, but it does everything I need it to do quickly. I can even control (mostly) the TiVo with it, but don't usually bother, since the TiVo reacts sluggishly to it.
    I watch a DVD/Blu-Ray once or twice a month, and every time I have to use the player's remote that has a full array of buttons for something, I'm like, "ugh".

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  11. mrizzo80

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    I temporarily switched back to FireTV yesterday to watch NFL games. I noticed the YT app on that platform updated a few days ago and the scrub bar is now the default when you try to fast forward or rewind. This is much better than the old approach. Hopefully Google brings this to Android TV soon.
     
  12. aaronwt

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    I know the regular Youtube app changed a few days ago on my Shield TV. And comes up with the Scrub bar when you rewind/ff.

    EDIT: It looks like my FireTV4K stickin this room still has the old youtube app. Where the scrub bar is not the default. The new one on my Shield TVs is better now.
    So far my Shield TVs are the only device I've seen the new Youtube app.
     
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  13. aaronwt

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    The ATV 4K remote is a perfect example of why I need a Harmony remote. Since the ATV remote is so terrible(The older Shield TV remote is almost as bad). Not to mention with 15+ devices in each of my UHD setups, it makes switching TV and receiver inputs as well as HDMI switches much easier. Since I have several five port HDMI switches in each setup.

    The Harmony remotes change everything to the correct inputs and turns device on and off. Without it I would need to juggle a bunch of remotes. And HDMI-CEC can't come close to working with that many devices. Once you get to four or five or six devices trying to use HDMI-CEC weird things start happening. So I only have it turned on with a few devices.
     
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    15+ devices! We're definitely at opposite ends of the spectrum - as I'm trying to get to as few devices as possible, and the TS4K remote seems to work pretty well for that - controls the TS4K, TV and soundbar "automagically". I still have a separate BD player but like @Jeeters said, we hardly use physical media any more.
     
  15. mdavej

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    Same here. I had 15+ devices for years that required complex programming on a universal remote. Today I have 2 devices - a smart TV and an AVR, both of which are controlled by the TV remote.
     
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    I don't like using alternate TV services like PlutoTV with my Roku remote. There needs to be more buttons for the experience to be smooth. I want to be bring up the guide, move through the guide a page at a time, get info about a show, jump to a certain channel number, etc. The limited number of buttons on the Roku remote makes all this kind of stuff clunky. It's not bad if I'm only watching the service once in a while, but it's a big hassle if I'm trying to watch it a lot. One of the reasons I don't watch services like PlutoTV is because of these hassles in interacting with the service.
     
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  17. Alex_7

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    15 devices?! Holy shi..
     
  18. mdavej

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    I often ask those with lots of devices in AV forums what exactly are these devices, usually in the context of finding an appropriate universal remote. The vast majority are obsolete devices that should have been removed a long time ago - VCR, laser disc, tape deck, CD player, DVD player, DVD recorder, multiple streaming devices that all do EXACTLY the same thing (Apple, Roku, Fire, Chromecast), obsolete gaming systems, etc. Just because you still have an obsolete or redundant device doesn't mean you have to continue using it forever.

    If you have a lot of devices and are looking to simplify, ask yourself, have I used that device in the past 3 months. If you haven't, at least disconnect it and stop worrying about including it in your universal remote activities.

    My smart TV handles all my streaming apps, recording, streaming clients, music apps. My AVR handles the sound. That's all I need.
     
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    >>My smart TV handles all my streaming apps, recording, streaming clients, music apps.

    Recording? What kind of TV do you have?
     
  20. BillyClyde

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    Ditto!
     

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