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Discussion in 'TiVo Stream 4K' started by mbernste, Jan 7, 2020.
If it allows sideloading apps I'll consider it
It's Android, so it will.
How do you know for certain the Sabrina won’t have “buggy firmware and a garbage remote”, or other issues?
FWIW... the Tivo Stream 4k and Youtube TV is buttery smooth. I'm not talking about the integration because it's still only Sling TV. I'm just talking about using the Youtube TV app on the Tivo stick. There is a little lag using youtube tv on my fire stick, but on the Tivo stick, the navigating, scrolling, selecting, etc., everything is instant. I'm testing out living without tivo and traditional cable tv, and my main concern was the channel surfing and navigation. It is actually even smoother than navigating my Tivo Roamio. But in general, navigating the Tivo stick is so much better than navigating the fire stick which constantly gets stuck or lag. Like you'd be pushing the directional pad down 3 times, and you see no reaction, then all of a sudden it reacts and moves you down 3 times when you no longer want to move. LOL! Bring on Google Sabrina, I will try them all!
I don't, of course. But I'm guessing - and it's really just a guess here - that the folks who made Android TV might know a little more about what they're doing than, say, a dying company making a last-ditch effort to stay relevant by purchasing off-the-shelf hardware and using summer interns (apparently) to write the firmware.
I could be wrong. Google is a far cry from perfect. But they're also in a totally different league than TiVo. They're going up against the likes of Amazon and Roku. If the latest TiVo survey is any indication, most folks have forgotten TiVo is even a company anymore. And the ones who knew the name thought they only made expensive and irrelevant DVRs.
Summer interns, lol.
What survey? Sounds interesting.
Isn’t the Sabrina based on the same “off-the-shelf hardware” as the TS4K?
If Google is the expert because they invented Android, then why haven’t they built a better machine for Android than nVidia?
The Google design works fine. And the TiVo stream would work just as fine if they had not mucked with it.
I was very happy with the speeds of the TiVo stream 4K. But decisons like always on HDR10 or Dolby Vision was a non starter for me.
And the 2019 Nvidia Shiled has gotten better with the recent update. But it is three times as much as the TiVo stream 4K. But like like all streamers it still has issues. Like the Shield has no HDR with YouTube. Or missing apps like Apple TV+. But I still like any Android streamer better than my ATV 4K boxes.
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To which I disagree with wholeheartedly, if you make sure everything is set right on your display.
But that’s your decision and a discussion for another time.
You can’t undo HDR by changing display settings.
You make sure things are set right for actual HDR10 and DV content. But SDR content that is in HDR won't look like its supposed to.
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I never said you undo it.
Not if the display does what it’s supposed to and maps it correctly. It’s on your display and what it does with the metadata it receives, not the TS4K.
Why do you keep posting wrong information about this forced HDR bug? The TS4K takes SDR content and maps it onto an HDR color space. It's this mapping in the TS4K that gives all the colors wrong values. When your display device gets this wrong data that's presented as HDR, it says, "ahh, some HDR, I'll pass it straight through boss", not knowing it came from an SDR source. You can indeed enable HDR tone mapping or mess with your color/brightness/contrast to mask the problem. But that's just lipstick on a pig. Please stop spreading misinformation.
I am new to the cord cutting world and bought both an Apple TV and a TS4K to decide which experience would be best for me and I definitely prefer the TS4K.
The TiVo remote is a significantly better experience than the Apple remote, navigating to and through the channel guide is a better experience and selecting what to record is better integrated.
I will likely return the Apple TV and buy two more TS4Ks
Welcome to the world of streaming. I'd wait if I could before buying another streaming device. Refer to the link in post # 2060 (scroll up). Next generation compatibility is rumored for the Sabrina since the developer edition from last year had HDMI 2.1 compatibility.
The Apple TV 4K is a good streamer but that remote has been excused for too long. There's just no excuse for not having the directional pad out of the box; taps are supposed to work as nav pad but consistency is iffy. Even if Apple wanted to keep the niche touchpad; they should have added a no fuss nav pad, for sanity sake. There's alternative remotes available for it though; I use Logitech Harmony hub and remote for nearly full function with a Harmony remote. One for All may be the cheapest alternative for those that also want to control volume with on their AVR. But since some apps are still only built on the Siri remote touchpad, I'm stuck with the Siri remote on Fubo TV if I want thumbnail previews for skipping ads.
But despite having 3 Apple TV 4K devices and Roku Ultra and Fire TV 4K Stick, I'm interested in seeing what the Google Sabrina has to offer. Hopefully it's got a sensible remote. I watched the TiVo 4K Stream with interest at release but decided to pass with the forced HDR not being fixed (yet) and knowing the Sabrina was rumored to be arriving at some point. The TiVo streamer had a limited window to please the masses but I'm thinking with baked in OS features and added future proofing, the Sabrina is the better device of the two. For what it's worth, I'm hesitant to preorder but more in a position to say I'll wait until I'm wowed, then buy. Bugs. Bugs. Bugs. Dislike them so much.
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This is not true. You need to learn about how rec709 can be and IS mapped into a BT2020 container, which is what is happening here.
I’ve said it before. UHD Blurays do this ALL THE TIME by mapping a DCI-P3 color space into the very same BT2020 container! This is NO different.
If it is mapped properly AND your display does what it’s supposed to do by going into its HDR BT2020 mode, then it ALL will appear correct, period! I’ve been watching this way with no special hoop jumping at all.
Have you ever once done a calibration with CalMAN (or similar) where in the process it takes you through mapping ALL the color spaces within that BT2020 color gamut? Why pray tell do you think that is sir?
The only misinformation is coming from your side.
I give up
The average consumer would have given up long ago. The most important thing about the above conversation is that the average consumer can't or won't follow the above conversation. They want to plug a device in and have it work. Fire TV and friends do that for the most part, no Geek Squad required.
To be clear, I never said they shouldn’t have given the consumer the choice to turn it off or select which mode they wanted. All I’m saying is, the mapping is correct for what it actually does. At that point it’s up to your display to treat the signal the way it’s supposed to.
I know the opinions here are mixed and also that earlier in this thread I asked if Roku was a better choice, but I like the idea of a more open system and I'm an Android user so I decided what the heck: I just ordered two TS4Ks and an HDHomeRun OTA tuner. It seems like the TS4K is getting better. Also, I've read posts here about ChannelsDVR (I think many from @Pokemon_Dad?), I've watched many videos about the TS4K and Android TV and that has me interested in the possibilities. I'm more interested in AndroidTV than I am in using the TiVo interface at this point. I figured I'd try out some options over the next 30 days and see if it works well enough for OTA viewing and recording. In any case, streaming apps (and more of them!) that actually launch will be a huge improvement! If all goes as I hope, my current TiVo hardware will be headed to eBay.