Advertisements Clearly you're more familiar with Android TV licensing than I am. Please, tell me what I suggested that specifically violates said licensing. Because I'm not aware of suggesting anything of the sort. I'm guessing I know far more about it than you, by virtue of me knowing someone who works at TiVo (in software development, but has nothing to do with the TS4K). I don't expect you to know my post history, but I've already addressed this. According to someone who knows more than either of us, literally everything at TiVo loses money (as a department/division) except licensing and the selling of their software / algorithms. That will never happen, end of story. The device is a hard sell at $50; if they aren't going to up the price to $70 while competition is minimal, they'd be stupid - I mean, truly dumb - to increase the price when there are other, better options out there. I'm willing to concede that you seem to know more about this than I do. Because devices like Amazon's Fire gadgets all use Android, IIRC, and they're very clearly different. Of course, I'm assuming that's Android and not Android TV, so that may be the difference. No doubt. I gleaned as much from the exhaustive survey I took after returning my TS4K. What I cannot fathom is why anyone would use the Stream app or care about useless buttons on a crowded remote when there are better, similar apps out there (like ReelGood) and customers clearly, overwhelmingly prefer simple remotes (and, again, TiVo managed to forget useful buttons like FF and RW when they were cramming too many buttons on it). So, great, the TS4K is different than other devices...that in no way means it's better. Good job, TiVo, you took existing solutions and made them suck. I no longer have my TS4K to put side-by-side, so you'll have to hope the site search works as well for you as it would for me. My personal pet peeve was that HDR was always on. I get it, a lot of people have older or lower-end TVs that don't support HDR or Dolby Vision, but mine do. And HDR on when HDR should very clearly be off was obnoxious. I don't recall reading that they fixed this, but I could have missed it. I'm fairly certain the black flashing in Kodi and Plex is still present and that almost certainly has everything do with whatever shenanigans TiVo pulled with video display. If I'm not mistaken (please correct me if I am), the audio output stream menu is still missing certain output options, meaning that those with "nicer" audio systems don't get pass-through like they should. The amount doesn't matter. The fact is that TiVo - for some reason that is undoubtedly stupid - thought consumers needed fewer choices in their A/V settings. Whatever reason they could stutter out for doing so isn't worth listening to. Unless Android and Android TV operate in wildly different ways, that's only sort of true. I agree that they most likely didn't have some sort of "This works perfectly and only make changes if you want to!" source, but they almost certainly received a source that worked out of the box with Google's own reference development device. Yes, of course, there are modifications that OEMs can make to customize the device. To suggest that they had to actively work on HDR and DV support but thought including the default values for display was too much is silly. This particular discussion makes it sound like I think the TS4K is a worse device than it actually is. My issue is entirely with TiVo's incompetence. The very fact that you long-term TiVo customers can't even use this (supposedly different) Android TV device to work with your TiVo products is ridiculous. I think you mentioned earlier that you thought this might be a token product to "prove" that they're doing something about streaming. That and extensive data collection are about all I can come up with, because any potential this device had was severely reduced by TiVo's implementation. There's no way they can honestly think they're going to get anywhere with the TS4K.