Tivo just got some real OTA competition - new Channel Master with Vudu

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Aero 1, Sep 13, 2011.

  1. tootal2

    tootal2 Active Member

    Oct 14, 2005


    I might buy one of thoes for my bedroom tv that i only use about a hour a day. But dont think i will replace my tivo hd with this

    400.00? i will not buy it for that much
  2. jfalkingham

    jfalkingham Member

    Jul 23, 2002
    New Hampshire
    It appears to have dual tuners and clear QAM

    View and record local over-the-air digital broadcast
    The most HD movies streaming on demand (Vudu™)
    Highest quality HD movie streaming available (1080p) by Vudu™
    Records digital TV and HDTV
    Dual Tuned DVR allowing two programs to record simultaneously
    Pausing, fast forward and rewind functions
    Electronic programming guide and TV guide functions
    Social networking + photo sharing apps (Picasa™, Flickr ™)
    Advanced search features, schedule recordings, and parental control settings
    Dolby® Digital and Dolby® Digital Plus
    Dual ATSC/Clear QAM¹
    No monthly subscription fee
    Includes a one year manufacturer's limited warranty
    Recording Capacity
    320GB Hard Disk Drive²
    Up to 35 hours of HD recording³
    Up to 150 hours of SD recording³
    Built-in 802.11b/g/n
    10(w) x 7(d) x 1.75(h) inches
    Rear Panel Features
    RJ-45 Ethernet
    USB 2.0
    Digital Audio (Optical)
    RF output
    RF antenna/cable input
    RCA component and composite video
    Stereo audio
    Front Panel Features
    Illuminated power standby button
    Indicators for network status, HD and recording status
    USB 2.0
    IR receiver
    Capacitive touchpad
    Clock display
    ¹ Clear QAM support varies city by city, check your cable provider for compatibility.
    ² Recording capacity is an estimate and depends on the type of programming being recorded.
    ³ Recording hours are eastimated and subject to change.
    Requires an antenna for free broadcast TV.
    Requires a broadband Internet connection for web movies and apps.
  3. Beryl

    Beryl Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Feb 22, 2009
    Impressive features. I see it does have a EPG so it isn't just a VCR with a hard drive.

    I'm not personally interested but if it includes free and significant reduced priced blu-ray movies, it will be well received.
  4. tenthplanet

    tenthplanet Well-Known Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    Wireless is a waste if you're going to use VUDU. Over the Electronic Program Guide that could that could one day not be available. To be an effective cord cutter you need more smarts than most of the public has. This looks like a solution looking for a question. For a lot of people they would be better off cutting back in their cable and renting a dvr from the cable company.
  5. jtreid

    jtreid Member

    Jan 12, 2006
    Reading, PA


    Yeah. It constantly flashes 12:00.
  6. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2005
    Rochester NY
  7. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    Jan 31, 2002
    VUDU works perfectly fine over wireless. The average bitrate of the HDX titles is only 9Mbps. I can stream from VUDU on a wireless N connection with zero issues on any of my wireless devices. The result is identical to streaming from my wired gigabit backbone.
  8. Chris Gerhard

    Chris Gerhard Well-Known Member

    Apr 27, 2002
    If I wanted this OTA DVR, the good news is the product is DOA at $400 and will be discounted heavily pretty soon. The bad news is I think the premium for TiVo with lifetime is easily justified if this product was only $250, in otherwords, TiVo is worth a $250 premium compared to this rudimentary DVR for me and I believe most of the market. I don't see it getting as low as $250 but I could be wrong.
  9. Torgo

    Torgo Member

    Dec 31, 2001
    How so? I use the Vudu client built into my LG tv using wireless and it works just fine, all the way to HDX quality.
  10. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

    Sep 21, 2004
    I think they probably meant wireless is a waste if you have a crappy router or slow internet. But it has an ethernet port too.
  11. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Well-Known Member

    Feb 2, 2006
    Hmmm. Another thread saying "Tivo is King and all other DVRs suck" when very few posters have actually read the specs of the Channel Master DVR. Pretty much par for the course.:rolleyes: Pardon me for laughing, but how many of you bought the HDR-250 HDTivo for $1,000 or the S3 Tivo for $799, neither of which included lifetime service? For a basic OT DVR with dual tuners, $399 isn't a bad price considering there are no additional fees after the initial purchase.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not necessarily defending the Channel Master DVR because I don't know how the UI and functionality of the device stacks up. Chances are it can't be any worse than your average cableco DVR. I just don't see how bashing a product you know nothing about serves anyone that's trying to make an informed decision. Tivos are great for digital cable and FIOS but are grossly overpriced if you're going to go OTA only, IMHO.

    Personally, I prefer to do all of my OTA recording via my HTPC but a standalone appliance such as this for OTA recording is just what some people may be looking for. I get lots of flack about HTPCs because many people say they just want an appliance they can plug in and just have it work instead of using another PC. Well, this sounds just like the device you've been asking for. The only reason I've read so far for bashing it is that it's not a Tivo. This may come as a shock to some of you, but everyone out there, especially those that use cableco DVRs or HTPCs, doesn't believe that Tivo walks on water (and neither do I). Try judging a product by it's merits instead of saying it sucks because it doesn't have the Tivo logo plastered on it.
  12. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

    Apr 17, 2000
    I had a device a few years back that pulled guide data off the air like this. The guide only had 3 days worth of data and it was a lot less detailed then TiVos. If this thing uses that same data then it's probably not much more functional then an old S2 unit with "TiVo Basic". (i.e. repeat manual recordings with limited guide data, and a on screen guide)

    If it were really cheap, like <$200, it might be worth it. But for $400 I don't think many people would be satisfied.

  13. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    Jan 31, 2002
    Who mentioned that it sucked because the TiVo logo wasn't on it? It sounds like a bad product because it's just a dgital VCR. Which might be fine at $100 to $200 for two tuners. But not for $400. I recorded my HD programming ten years ago with basically a digital VCR using a coupel of HiPix cards. And nowadays you can get several cheap USB OTA tuners and connect it to you PC to do your recording if you want recording.

    But at a $400 pricepoint, with what you get, that money would be better used for a TiVo with Lifetime. Then you get all the advanced features of TiVo so you don't have to constantly check your programming to make sure it's going to be recorded. I hated doing that with my HD recordings from my HiPix cards.
  14. jfh3

    jfh3 Active Member

    Apr 15, 2004
    Denver area
    Not sure what your point is. You are:
    a) Comparing prices for electronics from years ago with today
    b) Comparing two products that really had no competition at their time of release to one that is essentially an also-ran.
  15. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

    Apr 2, 2005
    Definitely agree the pricepoint will have to come down another $100.

    It's too close to Tivo's pricepoint at $400.

    It does have wireless built-in though which Tivo doesn't.
  16. tenthplanet

    tenthplanet Well-Known Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    Very high speed connection internet can make wireless work, when for the speed on internet that most people get, go wired. Wireless in also for the more tech savy who have the patience to mess with it.
  17. Chris Gerhard

    Chris Gerhard Well-Known Member

    Apr 27, 2002
    A TiVo Premiere with lifetime for $500 is available now and unless Channel Master has time travel capabilities and can travel back to compete at a time when HD DVRs were more expensive, I guess I don't understand your point. A couple of days ago, it was reported that a refurbished TiVo Premiere with lifetime could have been purchased for $450. Some might prefer to buy TiVo for $99 and pay $10/month for service than pay $400 for this rudimentary DVR but I can't imagine anybody will pay $400 for the Channel Master DVR today, this product is DOA at $400.
  18. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

    Sep 21, 2004
    I don't even see who this product will appeal to. An OTA DVR that has networking but no real guide data except what is downloaded OTA (which is terrible from using it in the past). And it only works with Vudu (which is the most expensive VOD service out there). Chances are CM will not really support this product with software upgrades either.

    Now if it were $150-$200 I could see how it might appeal to some users. Othewise, I'm guessing it will not sell well.
  19. Mr. ELITE

    Mr. ELITE New Member

    Jun 8, 2011
    Just curious....with a device like TIVO, can the company add additional programs like VUDU or FLIKR without extra hardware (i.e. just firmware updates)?

    It was mentioned earlier that TIVO might be overkill for OTA only. I'm in that category since I just purchased a lifetime sub. Oh well, I'm new to TIVO and like what I've seen so far. I think it's money well spent (unless the box dies prematurely).

    BTW, there's been talk that only one core of the dual core chip is being used. Forgive my computer illiteracy, but what can TIVO engineers do with the extra processing power if they could get the full potential of the CPU working?

  20. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

    Jul 6, 2006
    Dayton OH
    Good info, thanks. Unfortunately:
    which is a major issue when comparing this to a TiVo.

    The more I research the OTA DVR's using free EPG, the more I begin to see the $129/year I pay for TiVo guide data for my THD as a good deal. The $10/month special offer for OTA-only Premiere subs (www.solidsignal.com) is even slightly better, although it's bothersome that the Premiere's OTA tuner sensitivity is reportedly somewhat inferior to that of the THD.

    EDIT: Ability to easily increase storage to at least 1 TB total would also be critical to me, and this also isn't clear at this tiime per the linked article.

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