Tivo is Working on Automatic Commercial Skipping

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Tony_T, Apr 2, 2019.

  1. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Raconteur TCF Club

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    I use two systems all the time, the TiVo has the Live Guide, the DirecTV has the Grid Guide. I use both with great regularity, and much prefer the TiVo Live Guide. It's easier to use, easier to see more channels and more upcoming shows at a glance. There is nothing better about the Grid Guide. Really, I'm sitting here trying to think if there is one thing I prefer about it, and can't think of a single thing.
     
  2. Rob Helmerichs

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    One thing...probably the most common thing...I use the guide for is checking what's coming up on a given channel. With the Live Guide, I could scroll through the entire two weeks' worth of Guide Data in seconds. With the Grid, it takes minutes.
     
  3. Fofer

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    So it comes down to the sheer amount of information visible on any one guide screen? Gotcha, makes sense. I guess I don't browse the live TV grid often enough to care. I either watch recordings, search for stuff that will air in the future, or watch what's on right now. I rarely browse the grid for future shows, so this change just hasn't bothered me at all. The pros of Hydra vastly outweigh the cons. For me, at least.
     
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  4. Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    I know I sound like a broken record, but....

    No one who has used any TV set top device OTHER than a TiVo has ever seen the Live Guide. Long term TiVo users are no longer the target market - cablecos are. The Grid Guide is what the VAST majority of users are accustomed to, what they expect, and what the cable providers want, so there was no impetus to include it in Hydra.
     
  5. Fofer

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    Makes sense. But I've had TiVo since 2000 and haven't had a cable box in all that time. Don't get me wrong, I appreciated the live TV guide, preferred it over the other grid... but it's not a deal-breaker to me that it's gone now. Sure, I would love to see it return one day. That sure would make a lot of people happy. But it's definitely not worth missing the Hydra improvements and new features over, IMO.

    And as always, of course, YMMV.
     
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  6. JoeKustra

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    I wonder how many members can relate to that reference? :) I use the grid since it only contains 20 channels. Those are all I care about. If I need to check out C-CPAN, I can change to "My Channels". Today I have added HBO/MAX since they are unencrypted for this weekend.
     
  7. Adam C.

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    That's the thing I disagree with. If I turn on my TV I want to know what's on right NOW on all the channels. The grid guide makes it easiest to see this (and see it quickly). Why would I care what's on 1 particular channel 2 hours from now?? I hated the Live guide because you have to scroll channel by channel to see what's on.
     
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  8. Mikeguy

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    I can understand not developing a new guide format (although, even there . . . innovation can be good), but as TiVo already had the Live Guide and it was an internal success with TiVo users, why not bring it over to TE4? Having said that and not being an engineer, perhaps I'm understating the effort needed to port it over and maintain it.
     
  9. Rob Helmerichs

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    But we used to both be able to have our way. Now, only you can. Which is great for you, but not so much for me. ;)

    (Personally, I don't care what's on right now...anything that I want to watch is already set to record. I haven't been a channel-surfer since...[looks at box to left]...2000.)
     
  10. ajwees41

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    that's in 21.8.3.RC4USC-11-849 already
     
  11. ajwees41

    ajwees41 Well-Known Member

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    skip was pre hydra, but autoskip was post hydra
     
  12. TonyD79

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    We are sidetracked but you do NOT see more channels with the live guide. You see upcoming shows on a SINGLE channel. I’ve done the math. The number of shows are almost exactly the same in most cases. The emphasis is just different. Live guide is oriented to one channel while the grid is oriented to a block of time. Which I prefer.
     
  13. Charles R

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    I doubt it was a "success" or used by a lot of people. When Hydra was released they stated they had the stats for its usage and clearly decided it wasn't worth the effort to keep... it was simply a feature that didn't prove worth carrying on.
     
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  14. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

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    I was saying that the top view now resembles the one that everyone already knows.
     
  15. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

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    Not really true. The new live guide is similar in emphasis and showing programs on a single channel. It is just poster based rather than text.
     
  16. V7Goose

    V7Goose OTA ONLY and Loving It!

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    Yes, this is VERY interesting to me. I have one Bolt running TE4, but it is still on 21.8.3.RC8. The My Shows menu on that box is still the black background without the left side panel. Tony's pictures of 21.9.1 look more like the old TE3 My Shows screen, but without the HORRIBLE WORTHLESS tiles of the Discovery Bar! To me, this is actually the very FIRST improvement I have seen with Hydra over TE3.

    Now if they would just put back program transfers, I might even be willing to accept TE4. It depends on what else might have changed too. I really don't care about auto skip - in fact, I do not even want it; I prefer to use the skip button or 30 sec jump. But if auto skip can be turned off like the pictures show, then it is the best of both worlds. Just like it would be if they also put back the Live Guide (which I also do not like or want, but we should have the option).

    Since they already had the Live Guide and Transfers built into their software, there was really no justification I can think of to remove them. Giving customers options to tailor the UI is a good thing - taking those options away is a BAD thing!
     
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  17. skypros

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    Is this Screen Shot I took on my iPad the LIVE GUIDE that is being discussed?
    And if so.... I am all about Choice, but I really dislike it, and I have found no way to turn it off on my iPad Tivo App.

    tivo ipad screen shot.jpg
     
  18. Charles R

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    To a large degree it's semantics however my understanding is they rewrote the (entire) software and as such nothing was removed... rather things weren't added to the new release. Might not sound any different but having programmed since the 80s they didn't delete x lines of code... rather they didn't spend x time and expense writing x lines of new code.
     
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  19. Fofer

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    No, the Live Guide they are discussing is on TE3/Encore (and earlier) software on actual TiVo hardware, like Bolts, Roamios and Minis. It’s been one of the two grid options for TiVo’s UI since the very beginning.
     
  20. JACKASTOR

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    Thanks tony
     

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