TiVo introducing “product purchase” feature with Amazon

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  1. Jul 22, 2008 #21 of 197
    jfh3

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    You are amazing.

    We don't even know how this is going to work yet and you're complaining.
     
  2. Jul 22, 2008 #22 of 197
    RoyK

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    You are wrong there. I haven't even begun to complain.
     
  3. Jul 22, 2008 #23 of 197
    kas25

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    Lets hope they start with the ability to get MP3 download's from Amazon, similar to what the Apple TV lets you do. Its great browsing music and being able to buy from the tv.
     
  4. Jul 22, 2008 #24 of 197
    kas25

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    To reply to my own post, there have been many times i've been watching a show and liked a song but didn't know who it was. I would love the ability to see who was singing and buy the song with a few clicks. How to do this without ruining the viewing of the show is the question.
     
  5. Jul 22, 2008 #25 of 197
    davezatz

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    as a customer, this won't do much for me. other than possibly piss me off if they work many onscreen advertising deals ;)

    BUT i was provided a few mockups (though the real stuff should be visible later today) to share:
    http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2008-07/tivo-brings-amazoncom-shopping-to-television/

    And the release is here:
    http://investor.tivo.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=323783
     
  6. Jul 22, 2008 #26 of 197
    crawform

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    This doesn't bother me that much. That being said, I wish they would implement HD via unbox or streaming first.
     
  7. Jul 22, 2008 #27 of 197
    classicsat

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    So that means when Dave gives away a box of meat as a prize, I can order same?
     
  8. Jul 22, 2008 #28 of 197
    nhaigh

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    To be honest I quite like the idea. If a commercial is on and I have a way to link through to buy it I have no problem with that, after all why would I worry about on screen adverts over commercials. If it is a product promotion in a chat show or something and a small "thumbs up to buy" comes up I don't expect I'd have a problem with that either.

    If however we get purchase screens in the middle of scripted shows then I will have an issue with it affecting my enjoyment of the program.

    I vote for waiting to see what we get.

    As a side, I quite like the idea of a commercial aspect to TiVo allowing us to mitigate some of the subscription costs. I can imagine a day when you can subscribe commercial free for a fee but otherwise its free.
     
  9. Jul 22, 2008 #29 of 197
    fallingwater

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    “But TiVo is only in around four million plus homes. From a national advertising perspective, if it doesn’t get beyond that base it remains nothing more than a curiosity.” said Timothy Hanlon, senior vice president for Denuo, the media futures division of the Publicis Groupe.

    TiVo is trying. (Sometimes very trying.) They can't seem to get their innovative technological concept to really pay off, no matter how cleverly they position it.

    IMHO the technology for providing convienient product positioning for spontaneous sales in the mass-market should be paid for by sellers and, to be succesful, needs to be free to an end user.

    Don't know what's economically realistic or feasible but somehow Australia comes to mind. Best wishes TiVo. :confused:
     
  10. Jul 22, 2008 #30 of 197
    rodalpho

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    I've been a TiVo subscriber and enthusiast since early 2000. My AIM icon and windows login icons are the TiVo guy. I've convinced literally dozens of friends and coworkers to buy TiVos over the years.

    If my TiVo starts popping up ads during actual programming and there's no way to opt out of this behavior, I will sell my TiVo and tell all my friends and coworkers to do the same. I'll shell out the cash for hauppauge ambarella boxes, multiple cable STBs, a HTPC, and sagetv or windows MCE. This is completely unacceptable to me.

    As some have said in this thread, maybe we're overreacting. I sure hope so; if not, my decade-long love affair with TiVo is about to come to an unhappy end.
     
  11. Jul 22, 2008 #31 of 197
    dylanemcgregor

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    I'm just disappointed that since I don't have cable, OTA, or Sat, that I won't be able to use this. Sounds like a great feature, Starship Troopers come to real life! ;)
     
  12. Jul 22, 2008 #32 of 197
    kmill14

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    Without knowing how its going to work, it cracks me up how people are already completely bent out of shape. You think you'll be watching a football game and suddenly a thumps-up request is going to pop up for you to buy an NFL jersey? Doubtful.

    TiVo has done some dumb things, but they do tend to learn from their mistakes. So far, have you seen a thumbs up request during an actual show?

    So until you actually see some new type of invasion of your viewing habits, I think you should just sit back and see how it works.
     
  13. Jul 22, 2008 #33 of 197
    CuriousMark

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    If you look at the pictures on Zatz Not Funny you see that these are new links on existing HME screens. If you are shopping Amazon Unbox, you now have a link to look at related hard merchandise. So at least the first coming of this feature is pretty innocuous. I can see them adding jumps at the save/delete pop up after a show that might offer you a chance to shop for music in the show or maybe the camcorder used on Burn Notice to do some cheap surveillance, but that link is easily ignorable.

    If thumbs up to purchase bugs start popping up in shows and a lot of people click through, then they will get very popular fast and we will see lots of them. If no one clicks through on those, they will fade away, assuming they ever even appear in the first place. Actually, on a shopping channel, they would be very welcome to both the buyer and seller.
     
  14. Jul 22, 2008 #34 of 197
    RoyK

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    Is there some part of "even alongside product placements during live shows" that you don't understand?
    Not yet but I have seen banner ads over actual shows. That was shot down very quickly.

    You can sit back if you wish. I intend to be VERY proactive.
     
  15. Jul 22, 2008 #35 of 197
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    kmill14

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    You're blowing this way out of proportion without seeing a single invasion of a show since the...

    TiVo learned from that mistake, and you haven't seen that type of invasive placement since. Just because the article said "during live shows" does not mean it would occur during the show itself (unless the content provider wanted it that way). So maybe the Oprah show decides they want to place a Thumbs Up request during their show, and you'll get to blame Oprah for that. But then again, the 1000's of women watching Oprah during the day who want to buy her next book recommendation will be happy to click on that Thumbs Up and buy the book then and there.

    But most likely it will continue to be placements during advertisements "during live shows", and if you like to skip the ads, no harm done to you.
     
  17. Jul 22, 2008 #37 of 197
    benraymond

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    I agree with many of the posts here.

    I love my TiVo box. I can't imagine going back to regular TV. My family has adjusted to it and loves it as well. $350 for the original box. I swallowed hard and paid the $300 for three years when they didn't offer lifetime subscriptions. Another $200 for the DVR expander because I didn't feel like opening the box. Soon after, I began seeing the ads on the menus - I was irritated, but accepted it. I planned to add another TV, and another TiVo box... Then this announcement.

    If during a program I can hit a button for "learn more," and it doesn't slow down the interface, fine.

    If I have ads, text or otherwise pop up while I'm watching a show, that will be a dealbreaker for me. I will put the TiVo on the Kids TV until the subscription runs out and build myself a DVR, one without a subscription and with automatic ad skipping, and I will not give another nickel to TiVo. About a half dozen people I know are actively thinking about buying TiVo with my raves about the system - If this system gets implemented in the way that I fear that it will, they will all get calls from me telling them not to buy one.
     
  18. Jul 22, 2008 #38 of 197
    BlackBetty

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    +1 bunch of chicken littles.
     
  19. Jul 22, 2008 #39 of 197
    ZeoTiVo

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    Television shows are just not free in their first showing. It takes money to make them and DVRs are now making the advertisers curious as to what they will do about the ability to FF/skip over their ads. Anyone truly feel entitled to see first run TV shows without commercials of some sort that foot the bill for creating the show? I would rather see innovation of new advertising approaches versus shows going to unregulated "premium" channels which can set no-copy flags or else force no add skipping etc.. Sure there will be ways to setup your own recording system which gets around such flags and so forth, but it will just get harder to stay the step ahead and really not worth it to most.

    And as a Capitalist leaning member of our society I think commerce is generally a good thing. I plan on my opt-in/opt-out to be by shows I watch or not watch. :)
     
  20. Jul 22, 2008 #40 of 197
    rodalpho

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    Well, I mean, welcome to the internet, hope you enjoy your stay.

    But again the press release and nytimes article do very clearly imply that ads will be shown during actual programming and not during the interstitial advertisements. Again, this could be very easily defused by a brief statement from TiVo's representatives on these forums, who without a doubt are all reading this thread right now.

    Edit: We've gone over this before Zeo and I again affirm that I do not agree and did not sign any contract, social or otherwise, agreeing to watch advertisements. I pay over $100/month for cable TV. The airwaves are given to television networks to use completely free of charge by the government and cable/satellite companies use the money I pay them monthly to pay networks to carry their programming. It's not my fault that their business model is based upon interstitial advertising and DVRs such as TiVo obviously destroy that model. I don't care, and I don't feel the slightest bit obligated to watch their advertisements.

    If that means TV dies, so be it. Amen.

    But somehow I think they'll find a way to keep going.
     

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