TiVo inserting short advert before playing a recording

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by andyf, Sep 19, 2019.

  1. Sep 20, 2019 #141 of 2500

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2005


    I've been thinking that this is not really happening, that it's a TiVo beta experiment that got loose, that people are yelling that the sky is falling.

    This no longer is "amusing."
  2. Sep 20, 2019 #142 of 2500

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2005
    TE3 or TE4?
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  3. Sep 20, 2019 #143 of 2500

    tgmii Member

    Feb 21, 2002
    New Jersey
    Bolt , Hydra
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  4. Sep 20, 2019 #144 of 2500

    WVZR1 Active Member

    Jul 30, 2008
    The WV...
    So a long while ago someone asked regarding a NOTE ON ACCOUNT PAGE! I've no idea how long it's been on mine because I left TiVo to try L3TV/T-vision for 13 months. When I returned to TiVo maybe July 20 or so I noticed it but paid little attn!

    Is this notation on our accounts what their using as 'authorization' for this trial?

    On My account page: TiVo.com I have a notation!


    I've never seen it explained and admittedly I've never asked!!! I've no idea when it 1st appeared! Does anyone? I would imagine it on ALL OF OUR ACCOUNT PAGE!

    Log in and it should be obvious!!

    I don't do Twitter or FaceBook - Has anyone from TiVo commented later this afternoon or this evening regarding the TWEET message mentioned in post #67.

    Anyone else been told 'we can make it go away' by anyone considered reliable!!
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2019
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  5. Sep 20, 2019 #145 of 2500

    exdishguy Active Member

    Apr 30, 2004


    It's in TE4 so if you have a Roamio running TE4 you will soon get to enjoy this "feature" on your Roamio. Let's hope they stop this release from going gold before it rolls out to the masses.
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  6. Sep 20, 2019 #146 of 2500

    NorthAlabama tabasco rules

    Apr 19, 2012
    sweet home, al
    it's on my account, too, and i have no idea when it changed, i haven't logged in for months.
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  7. Sep 20, 2019 #147 of 2500

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2005
    And wouldn't that be nice. But then, before TiVo releases such experimentation--something which kinda shakes a foundation of TiVo's boxes--into the wild and forces it on existing customers, perhaps it should tell the customer base what is happening. Even Microsoft, in its arrogance, does so (kind of). I'm happy to beta (and have done so, many times)--but tell me that I'm doing so, first.

    Not at all unexpectedly, the manner of this rollout or beta or whatever it is only causes more angst. Heck, even the customer service reps. don't seem to have the story down, apart from knowing that the adverts are occurring and maybe can be turned off oh wait, maybe cannot be turned off.
    Maybe after each time an advert is run, each customer should telephone customer service, mention that it just occurred, and object to it. After each advert. ;)
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  8. Sep 20, 2019 #148 of 2500

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

    Nov 25, 2003
    Is that speculation or has someone reported getting the pre-roll ad on a Roamio? (And TE4 or TE3?)
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  9. Sep 20, 2019 #149 of 2500

    powrcow Active Member

    Sep 27, 2010
    I have a Premiere and a Mini, no pre-roll ads (yet).
  10. Sep 21, 2019 #150 of 2500

    cwoody222 Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 1999
    Buffalo, NY
    I have TE4 on Roamio and original Mini and my Profile says “Beta” and no ads for me yet.
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  11. Sep 21, 2019 #151 of 2500

    oscarfish Active Member

    Mar 1, 2009
    I'm still not convinced yet that this will ultimately apply to the non-beta retail TiVos.

    I don't know what that privacy status setting is in my tivo.com account. Mine is set to default. I haven't seen any ads yet on my cable TE3 Roamio.

    Assuming this ad thing does end up applying to me, I'm not sure how much of a practical effect it'll have. I pad all recordings by two minutes. So whenever I start playing a recording, I'm already skipping over that two minutes. Unless the network messes with the start time, when I start playing, I simply hit the 30 sec skip four times, or hit the commercial skip depending on whether its available. If the pre-roll ad is just an extra 30 sec skip, it won't really change that much. But, I've made a lot of assumptions about how it'll work. I'll bet it's not that smooth.

    I wonder if my Series 2s just got more valuable.

    Why am I not panicking or overreacting to this like I normally do?
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  12. Sep 21, 2019 #152 of 2500
    Charles R

    Charles R Well-Known Member

    Nov 9, 2000
    Actually my biggest "complaint" is that TiVo didn't come out and state what they were doing beforehand. They must have known what stink it would cause and even if in the best case it's simply a "test" they should have stepped up by now and addressed the issue.

    The more you're going to do something one dislikes the sooner you better explain it. :) At least they feel respected (to some degree). In reality I would be more likely to switch because of the way it's being handled (up to now) than the actual ads - which I'm presuming I will be able to block.
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  13. Sep 21, 2019 #153 of 2500

    Davelnlr_ N5GGG

    Jan 12, 2011
    If those ads are being downloaded via internet, they need to start paying me for the data each month.
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  14. Sep 21, 2019 #154 of 2500

    sethmeisterg New Member

    Oct 9, 2004
    Amen to that. I love my TiVo, but if they force me to watch stupid effing ads, I will not buy another TiVo box.
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  15. Sep 21, 2019 #155 of 2500

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2005
    Perhaps @TiVo_Ted will have some input.
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  16. Sep 21, 2019 #156 of 2500

    slice1900 Active Member

    Dec 2, 2005

    No. Just NO.

    Personally I don't give a **** about 'autoskip'. I'm on TE3 and always planned to stay that way for unrelated reasons, and see no point in autoskip when I can skip with a single keypress (and have to manually do it via 30 second skips on most recordings anyway)

    The idea that a preroll ad would be in any way acceptable, even your wishy-washy "maybe", as a tradeoff is moronic. They are relying on weak minded fools to say "well I'm avoiding a lot of ads with the Tivo, so I guess one little one won't kill me".

    That's how it starts. Next they'll make that pre-roll ad not skippable, and give some made up reason like "only a few percent of customers were skipping them". Then they'll bring in ads that play anytime you pause, because the DVR isn't doing anything else at the time, right? Then they'll start accepting money from networks to make ads unskippable in certain programs, and tell us not to worry because "ads are still skippable in over 99% of programming".
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  17. Sep 21, 2019 #157 of 2500

    slice1900 Active Member

    Dec 2, 2005
    I wonder if doing this gives networks a new avenue to sue Tivo for autoskip functionality? It is one thing for them to give people ways to skip ads, it is quite another to give people ways to skip ads and then introduce OTHER ads. How is this different from the Tivo recognizing when the network ads come in via the Autoskip signal and REPLACING them with Tivo's own (unskippable) ads? If they are willing to consider a preroll ad and customers accept it, who knows what they'll try next?

    If this comes to TE3 I'm done with Tivo forever, will trash them anytime their name comes up and recommend everyone stay away. Maybe that's not going to hurt them much in the grand scheme of things but if everyone who is appalled by this does the same their reputation will suffer, guaranteed.

    I could save money by going to go a streaming type TV package like Hulu Live TV or similar, the ONLY reason I still use my overpriced cable company is because of Tivo! Hell, they ought to find a way to collect a commission from Mediacom for keeping me around! Trick play with streaming sucks, but at least I don't have to worry about Apple TV trying to insert ads to scrape a few extra pennies off my eyeballs!

    If people don't stand up and loudly tell Tivo that we will become ex-customers if they follow through with this, guaranteed it will become worse over time. If they can't make a profit at the current price structure, raise the prices. Offer a lower price tier for people willing to see ads, but don't force it on those of us who previously paid for 'all in' under the assumption Tivo wasn't going to sell us out.

    I can't make much of an impact on Tivo financially since I'm 'all in' in the short run, but hopefully a lot of those who are paying monthly will drop service and tell Tivo EXACTLY why. Go from Tivo to the 'regular' cable DVR (since it won't be doing preroll ads) and tell your cable company why. That's the only thing that will make Tivo listen - take away their revenue and impact the bonuses of the idiot execs who approved this travesty!
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  18. Sep 21, 2019 #158 of 2500

    davezatz Funkadelic

    Apr 18, 2002
    Fairfax, VA
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  19. Sep 21, 2019 #159 of 2500

    dslunceford Well-Known Member

    Oct 19, 2000
    No. VA/D.C.
    As said upthread, not notifying customers ahead of time and not prepping the loyalist retail customers just isn't the right approach. You know you are going to get the blowback regardless, so might as well be proactive about it so it doesn't look, well, kinda sneaky and callous.

    Maybe they'll enable backdoor autoskip for it like we have for sps30 to keep 30 second skip as instant skip (the way God intended) vs default ffskip. :D

    Given my family largely lives in our Roku apps (better speed, features vs TiVo) not as huge deal for us, but it may mean this is the last gen for me in what is my longest running tech platform. I survived losing Palm, I guess I'll survive this too.
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  20. Sep 21, 2019 #160 of 2500

    MScottC Well-Known Member

    Sep 11, 2004
    I too dislike the concept and perhaps reality of the "pre-roll" ads. But I have to say I'm more amused by the bizarre behavior here of so many with all the anger of the world showing up. Cripes, TiVo saves you 20 minutes an hour of viewing time with the ability to skip or even auto-skip commercials. Commercials pay for a good part of your "free" entertainment. TiVo also still allows you to watch TV on your time/terms. I agree, I don't want that 20 second ad, but if it helps support the company that allows me to watch TV on my time/terms I'll bite. I am not about to blow my own gasket over this. I'll protest, I'll email, but I won't start screaming that I'm dumping TiVo for an alternative, when in reality, no better alternative has shown up over 20 years.

    Don't you people understand how much TV production costs? Someone has to pay for those show to be produced, and you're the ones watching them. Someone has to pay for hardware and software to be developed to allow TiVo or other DVRs to function, and you're the ones using them.

    I'll just sit here and watch the heads of some of you folks explode.
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