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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by andyf, Sep 19, 2019.
No, you’re confusing me with someone else.
OK. So it's the same. The CW shows I watch I purchase from Amazon, Vudu, or Fandango Now. Since that is the only way for me to avoid any commercials with them. And also get decent video quality. Since DC OTA, Comcast, and FiOS video quality is so bad.
I guess that's up to you, but I rather ignore commercials on the one show i watch on CW and get it for entirely free (Supernatural)
Given that doing the cancel causes a software update to be pushed to your Tivo, it seems unlikely the simple swap shwru980r proposed would work. Definitely not something you can count on, especially if they remove the "opt out" option down the road.
What kind of picture quality are you looking for that you would rather pay for it than receive it for free OTA? In my area the NYC OTA channels look awesome and in most cases are better than the cable companies.
I can't do that. The last time I tried, I got to the second commercial break and couldn't stand it. And ended up purchasing the rest of the season. So now I do it with all the shows on the CW. Since I really hate commercials.
And it still isn't very expensive. I end up paying between 75 cents and $2 per HD episode when I buy the entire season. The most I've paid was $2 an episode. And that was for the Magicians, which is on SyFy. All the CW shows have cost me $1.50 or less per HD episode.
In my area they are frequency sharing in preparation for ATSC 3.0. But even before that the quality was poor with all the sub-channels that have been added. Watching the shows on Amazon, Vudu, or Fandango Now is a night and day difference from the quality of OTA, FiOS, or Comcast here. Most of the detail is missing since everything is bitstarved now.
One small caveat regarding the "wireless" Xi5/6 client boxes is that they can only operate wirelessly in conjunction with the Comcast rental (XB3/6) gateway. If you are using a third-party modem or set the Comcast modem to bridge mode you must use the Xi5/6's ethernet port.
Don't recall which model X1 my friend has (it has a hard drive but I kinda doubt it's the top-end XG1v4). At any rate, the UI felt faster and more fluid than the Roamio OTA I had at the time. And the X1 UI design looked, well, like something that was designed in the past few years while the old TE3 UI looked like something from a decade ago.
Of the advantages you cite for TiVo over X1, about the only thing that would have much appeal or make any difference to the vast majority of cable TV subscribers is the larger hard drive. Everyone likes having the option of recording tons of stuff and not worrying about space, if even they don't really need the space.
And while there are TiVo-lovers who would see the X1 as just "good enough," my guess is that if you let all X1 users spend a few days using a TiVo with the Hydra UI, a whole lot of them, maybe even the majority, would choose to stick with X1 even if it didn't cost them any more to use the TiVo. While TiVo definitely has more options for power users, I always found its UI back on TE3 to have off-putting oddities relative to every other DVR I'd ever used. (The worst was pressing the Zoom button on the remote to exit from TiVo Central back to live TV. Completely unintuitive.)
I wondered about that. It makes sense that a standalone Xi5/6 would require also using the multicast-capable XB3/6 gateway.
That said, when I tried a few months back, Comcast's online ordering system would let me get all the way to the final step with an order that included IPTV with no Comcast boxes (i.e. relying on the Xfinity Stream app for Roku, etc.) plus broadband service, but using my own retail modem and router.
I'm sorry, I wasn't aware of this. Where did you see that?
At least the way I used it, since the live TV video was in the small PIP window in the upper right while I was in TiVo Central, pressing Zoom to make it go full screen seemed completely intuitive to me
It was intuitive to me too!
Maybe a picture will help identify which one it was.
X1 TV Box Comparison - DVR vs. Non-DVR – Xfinity
Is it possible to setup an IFTTT rule to effector auto skip the advert?
No, these ads are exempt from that. Which is why it’s sleazy
A lot of people don't want to be talking to their remote, they want to use it like a normal remote.
The v4 is pretty obvious since it's got the angular design versus the more "traditional" XG1 design with the curves. I've used an XG1v1 alongside a Roamio OTA and the Roamio OTA (on TE3) is a far better device.
Yeah, X1 is "good enough" for the majority of people, even though they would clearly see the difference if they had a TiVo for a while. It's unfortunate that the large MSOs are too pig-headed and stubborn to use the best device out there like smaller MSOs have and instead re-invented the wheel. Even 500GB is probably enough for most people, especially now that many locals are channels sharing, and some markets have been converted to MPEG-4 for locals, which brings them down to a blurry, 720p mess that only requires about 2GB/hour.
TE3 is about as perfect as you can make a DVR interface. It's really an incredible piece of software, and is very mature. It just works. It just makes sense. It's 100% user intuitive, which cannot be said for almost any other piece of consumer electronics (iOS was at some point, but IMO, no longer is). I haven't used the Zoom button since I had a TiVo on cable, I don't find a need for it. I just use Live TV.
I think it's kind of one of those "Mac vs. Windows" things, where people who start with one platform find at least some of the user conventions on the other platform to be non-intuitive. In this instance, we're talking about "TiVo vs. all other DVRs in the world." I had used 4 or 5 different DVR systems before coming to TiVo and found that there was very little learning curve in moving between any of those. And then I got a TiVo Roamio OTA and, frankly, found a lot of its UI/UX choices to be strange and frustrating. Some of that probably has to do with TiVo offering more options/features for power-users; it's always a challenge to offer such features without making the UI needlessly complex for the majority of users who will never want to use them. Still, though, some of the choices were just inexplicable to me, like not having an Exit button on the remote (which, I would note, TiVo has added to their peanut remote for the Next Gen IPTV platform because, frankly, everyone expects to have an Exit button except folks who have been using TiVos since 1999). I kept getting the angry gong sound all the time when I began using a TiVo.
So I have to strongly disagree with you about TiVo being "100% user intuitive". There are nice things about the UI/OS, don't get me wrong, but I feel like it's one of those things with cult appeal -- and pretty overrated by members of the cult.
I use both Mac and Windows. Each have their ups and downs. But TiVo and X1 is nothing of the sort. TiVo just far superior to X1. X1 is built by Comcast, for Comcast (and others MSOs with similar business models), to promote their content and interests, not to serve the consumer. It's good enough that most tolerate it.
I have all the TiVo sounds turned off, and why would you need an "Exit" button? Live TV is the sort of default that the thing is spitting out 24/7. What are you even exiting TO? It doesn't even make any sense in the paradigm of a DVR. I've only been using TiVo since 2004, and I can't figure out why the hell you would have an "Exit" button on a DVR? There's Back, TiVo, Live TV, but why Exit?
Now, I'm not saying that there aren't improvements they could make, like, oh, user profiles, or better HD/SD recording options on OnePass, or a plethora of other things, but what I AM saying is that no other DVR has come close to the UI/UX of a TiVo, and very, very few consumer electronics devices are 100% user intuitive like a TiVo. TE3 is fundamentally the same UI that they've been using since 1999, but they fixed many of the weird or illogical quirks that it's had over the years, and today's TE3 is a very mature, refined interface for a DVR.
But it’s still very ugly and antiquated looking, it’s use of big screen real estate is cringeworthy, and its lack of new features (like CEC and auto comskip) make it a non-starter for me.