TiVo inserting short advert before playing a recording

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by andyf, Sep 19, 2019.

  1. Oct 4, 2019 #1181 of 1959

    CloudAtlas Bryan TCF Club

    Oct 29, 2013
    New York, NY
    Do you honestly believe TE3 would just run on EDGE hardware As-Is?

    TE3 is NOT a standalone executable like a Windows/Linux/iOS/Android app. It’s many executables running on a custom stripped down Linux OS including kernel mods (loadable device drivers).

    Just for starters the underlying custom Linux OS would need to be upgraded from the current TE3 version so that newer hardware (SoC) had working device drivers. What company would be stupid enough to even entertain this idea?

    We haven’t even gotten to all the staff needed for this endeavor. Who needs these people working on new upcoming TE4 code when we can have them working on a previous deprecated TE3 release?

    Then there’s cost. Each developers make $100k+ Not including benefits. A family insurance plan now costs companies on average $20k.
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  2. Oct 4, 2019 #1182 of 1959
    Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Aug 21, 2002
    New York...
    TiVos are most definitely NOT “basically a PC”. They are what are called “embedded” systems. About 90% of the system is on ONE integrated circuit. Unlike a PC there is no standard BIOS, no UEFI interface. Every version of SoC is not just a CPU, but includes the memory controller (and sometimes RAM), disk controller, etc. The nearest PC analogy would be to combine the CPU and the north and south bridge chips (and just look at all the different north bridge chips that have been used by PC manufacturers, and they are TRYING to be compatible with each other). Then you have to add drivers for all the peripherals (cable card, HDMI subsystem, etc). As has been said, it is quite probable that they have only ported TE4 to the new hardware, which could mean a later version of Linux, newer drivers for the SOC, new code for the peripherals, etc. If I were running TiVo I wouldn’t spend the time and money to port TE3 (deprecated technology) to the new hardware.
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  3. Oct 4, 2019 #1183 of 1959

    trip1eX Well-Known Member

    Apr 2, 2005
    I still haven't seen an ad on my Roamio Plus.
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  4. Oct 4, 2019 #1184 of 1959

    johnfasc Active Member

    Dec 24, 2014
    No ads on my 1tb Roamio either,, yet. But just thinking about this while watching Amazon Prime. People realize before every Prime show, Amazon runs an ad mostly about one of their own shows. That has been ongoing. I never seen anyone complain about that on any blog. Is there a difference what TiVo is doing?
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  5. Oct 4, 2019 #1185 of 1959

    Narkul Active Member

    Nov 7, 2004
    I hate the ads that show up on Prime, but then I realize I'm paying for a 2 day shipping service with a video service thrown in.
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  6. Oct 4, 2019 #1186 of 1959

    RoamioJeff Unregistered User

    May 8, 2014
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  7. Oct 4, 2019 #1187 of 1959

    Fofer Bo55man69

    Oct 29, 2000
    Yes, because that's Amazon's content and when we subscribed to Amazon Prime and got access to that content, we understood the deal and the value proposition involved.

    TiVo is inserting their own new advertising into recordings, while allowing us to skip (and auto-skip) the original ones. It's just slimy and not customer-friendly, in the slightest.
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  8. Oct 4, 2019 #1188 of 1959

    Amnesia The Question

    Jan 30, 2005
    Boston, MA
    "Mostly"? Are you saying that they sometimes run an ad for something else?
  9. Oct 4, 2019 #1189 of 1959

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    Jan 31, 2002
    I've always hated that. Just like when HBo, Showtime etc. does it too. It's still an advertisement.
  10. Oct 4, 2019 #1190 of 1959

    Rhampton11 New Member

    Jan 16, 2019
    Have the latest Bolt OTA and 3 mini units. Pre roll ads have been running on the mini units for 3 weeks or so. None on Bolt OTA.
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  11. Oct 4, 2019 #1191 of 1959

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

    Nov 25, 2003
    Mini VOX or older models?
  12. Oct 4, 2019 #1192 of 1959

    Rhampton11 New Member

    Jan 16, 2019
    Mini VOX TCDA95000
  13. Oct 5, 2019 #1193 of 1959

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2002
    Staunton, VA
    Our experience is like DrMac5. Most of the shows that we record have skip available.

  14. Oct 5, 2019 #1194 of 1959

    V7Goose OTA ONLY and Loving It!

    May 28, 2005
    New Mexico...
    The difference seems rather obvious to me:

    First, Amazon is their own entity, and they just serve up their "own" content however they want.
    Vs. TiVo that is simply a glorified VCR that from the very beginning was intended to do little more than play and record EXACTLY what your house was receiving and showing on your TV WITHOUT CHANGING IT IN ANY WAY. None of us liked the ever increasing commercials in the TV shows, but they had always been there and we were conditioned to accept that we could do nothing about them except watch PBS or maybe pay the bloodsuckers for premium movie channels. Neither TiVo nor our old VCRs did anything at all to make it WORSE.

    The extra-cost value in TiVo has ALWAYS been nothing more than easier ways to find, record, and watch existing TV content. They have added more stuff like apps that I neither care about nor have to use in the course of normal TV watching. Their new inserted commercials need to be THERE - in a part of the system I am not forced to use!

    Second, Amazon is an extra pay service to watch something different than everybody gets from normal TV service. You don't have to use Amazon (or any other extra-cost service) to watch anything if you object to the way they serve it to you. And refusing to pay for their new and objectionable content does NOT affect your normal TV viewing options.
    Vs. TiVo - where refusing to accept their new force-fed inserted commercials would require me to STOP using something I had already paid for! (ignoring for the moment that they are letting some of us opt-out).

    How happy would you have been if your old VCR had gotten a software update that suddenly caused it to start recording its OWN UNWANTED COMMERCIALS at the beginning of every show your recorded???

    Third, Amazon didn't sell you their new service with the implied contract that they would not MODIFY what you wanted to watch by inserting their own UNWANTED added commercials. Amazon commercials are the equivalent of the irritating previews on a DVD - you know they are going to be there when you buy it - you have the choice to not buy it or accept it. It is not the same thing as if your DVDs never had the previews on them, but after an online update to your DVD player you were now forced to wade through all this new crap just to get to the movie that y ou used to be able to watch WITHOUT it. But that IS EXACTLY what TiVo has done to existing customers.

    Fourth, Amazon did not sucker you into giving them THOUSANDS of dollars to lock in their service BEFORE they started shoving their commercials at you.

    The fact that TiVo has given some of us a way to beg them to remove this garbage only makes what they have done marginally acceptable. I should NOT have had to beg/demand that they stop doing this with the equipment that I ALREADY paid for, but the fact that I did get this crap removed is the only reason I am still using my TiVo.
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  15. Oct 5, 2019 #1195 of 1959

    ufo4sale Well-Known Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Somerset NJ...
    Any way to get TiVo off life support I’m all for. So I say, bring on the ads.:)
  16. Oct 5, 2019 #1196 of 1959

    bbrown9 Active Member TCF Club

    Mar 12, 2011
    One difference is that I didn't pay premium prices for hardware plus service to watch amazon video. I paid for prime shipping and got video thrown in as a bonus.
    Another difference is that the ads Amazon shows are trailers for their other content. They are not ads for other products or even other Amazon services.

    That said, I don't like pre-roll ads, but it's situational. Because of the high price I paid for TiVo equipment and service, their pre-roll ads are not just annoyoing. They are infuriating. If the ads were offered as a way to bring-down initial investment costs for new customers or were offered as a way to bring down subscription fees with the option to pay higher to go ad-free, that would be one thing. And maybe that is their overall intent further down the road once this "beta-test" of the "feature" is finished. I don't know. But for me, it's just one more reason to stay on TE3 and not purchase an Edge. I could call and opt-out (Assuming they don't stop doing that) but that makes me have to deal with contacting CS and enduring at least 3 days of pre-roll ads. No thanks.

    If Amazon separated out their video from prime membership and I had to pay a high fee for video in addition to watching their ads (especially if their ads were for other products and not just trailers for content), I would drop the video subscription.
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  17. Oct 5, 2019 #1197 of 1959

    Joe3 Active Member

    Dec 12, 2006
    Boston MA
    Whatever happened to the tried and true way of it, let them earn it by selling a product that the public can use to its fullest. Worked like since forever :):)
  18. Oct 5, 2019 #1198 of 1959

    bobfrank Active Member

    Mar 17, 2005
    I wonder how many of those here who are complaining loudabout the pre-roll ads have paid to have ads remove from TCF here.
    What happened, or is happening, is that good enough is the mortal enemy of great. VHS was good enough and killed betamax. Unfortunately for Tivo, it looks like cable DVRs are good enough and are in the process of killing Tivo.
  19. Oct 5, 2019 #1199 of 1959

    mishafp Member

    Nov 7, 2006
    I'm planning on getting the TIVO Edge, and was going back and forth between the lifetime (which I have always gotten before), and the annual or monthly option. I was pretty much on the fence about this choice before, going back and forth- so my question is does anyone have a sense as to whether getting lifetime will make it more likely that I will get these ads removed, once they finally hit my account? If it is more likely that I can get these ads removed with lifetime, that would make my choice easier.
  20. Oct 5, 2019 #1200 of 1959

    dougtv Member

    May 20, 2015
    The analogy to me is like turning on my VCR in 1996 getting ready to watch last night's recorded ER and right after I put the VHS tape in, some guy knocks at my front door and I walk over and answer it and he goes "can I have a minute of you're time" and I'm like no dude, I'm about to watch ER" and responds "but it won't take long"..."i just want to know who your home insurance program..." and I'm finally like "dude I am happy with my long distance provider, but thank you" Then I try to politely close the door and sit back down on my couch and he opens my door and stands in front of my TV and is like "no seriously only 30 more seconds of your time then you can have your remote control back play your VHS tape to watch your recorded program."

    This is EXACTLY how people feel in 2019/2020 trying to have their own bought TiVo to play their own scheduled recordings from their own physical hard drives.

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