TiVo inserting short advert before playing a recording

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  1. Oct 3, 2019 #1161 of 1966
    schatham

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    All I see is Privacy/ beta, non of that other stuff.
     
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    Rapt0r

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    Interestingly, my account details now also say the same thing as yours. Hmm. Though I see the Case opened from my email request is still open. I suspect things are in flux right now and will eventually be sorted out.
     
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  3. Oct 3, 2019 #1163 of 1966
    Soccerman99

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    Interesting that you said the Tivo Edge does not support TE3. TE3/4 are just like operating systems. It's not like newer faster hardware can't support an older OS, so this restriction must be built into the interface. The point here is to *FORCE* users into the new paradigm of pre-ads, which is revenue for Tivo.

    I personally have 4 active Tivos, only one of which is on TE3/4. The remaining 3 are on the original version of the Tivo interface. Autoskip is great, but let's face it, if you use cable, 90+% of shows don't have skip, so there is little reason to switch to TE4. Admittedly, I hate the New Experience interfaces anyway.
     
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  4. Oct 3, 2019 #1164 of 1966
    Fofer

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    I use my Roamio Plus (upgraded to 3TB) on TE4 with cable and a lot more than 10% of my recordings have auto-skip, and I love it. I also love CEC, which made my remote control setup more elegant. Both of these came with TE4. I also vastly prefer the TE4 interface as the TE3 one was ugly and old-fashioned, kind of embarrassing, some settings screens were still in SD. TE4 feels streamlined and snappier too. I regret being influenced by those who were trashing it here, and now I wish I taken the plunge sooner.

    Since we can opt-out of these pre-roll ads I don’t regret upgrading to TE4, it kind of seems like a non-issue.

    However. If / once TiVo actually forces video ads on me that I can’t opt-out of, they lose me as a customer, who has been a continuous customer for almost 20 years now. Hopefully they handle this properly.
     
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  5. Oct 3, 2019 #1165 of 1966
    gary.buhrmaster

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    You appear to have never worked in the embedded space, where the hardware enablements may be only available with newer versions of the OS. And while it may be possible to backport all sorts of device support, that is a lot of work for little benefit to the company. If you are willing to write the (very big) check for backporting TE3 and pay for continued support, you are, of course, free to contact TiVo and see how many zeros will need to be added before the decimal point (six, seven, eight?) for your custom solution.
     
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  6. Oct 3, 2019 #1166 of 1966
    Amnesia

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    No, it can also be a QA issue. It's much simpler to test/debug if the Edge hardware is only running one version of the software.

    Well, seeing as how this thread is filled with people opting-out of the ads, then it's difficult for me to assume that requiring TE4 on the Edge is to support the ads...
     
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  7. Oct 3, 2019 #1167 of 1966
    Soccerman99

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    "It's much simpler to test/debug if the Edge hardware is only running one version of the software" = lazy / cheap
    I did work in the software development industry, but in the web space. We had to test our web app with 10 different browers using 10 different versions for each release. I'm well aware of the QA impacts.

    "Well, seeing as how this thread is filled with people opting-out of the ads..." You guys seem a little naive. How long is that going to last? 3 months? 6 months? Yeah, I'll stick with the old version the interface. Before TE3/4. No ads and no need for back button. And yes, I have to press a button for skip - big deal.
     
  8. Oct 3, 2019 #1168 of 1966
    Soccerman99

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    A Tivo is literally a Linux (variant) device with an embedded program on it. Its basically a PC with a hard drive and the same output ports the Bolt has. Please explain what drastic changes in hardware happened with the Edge that an older version of the program couldn't be run on it. 6 digits?? SMH.
     
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  9. Oct 3, 2019 #1169 of 1966
    gary.buhrmaster

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    You don't understand embedded, where you actually do low level hardware enablements (for SoCs, you literally define what pins do what as part of the device initializations and support and have to create device support to deal with the uniqueness that is that particular hardware and you often have to even embeed specific chip timing into the initialization (which varies on each device)).
     
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  10. Oct 3, 2019 #1170 of 1966
    Soccerman99

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    You are the expert compared to me for sure. And I actually don't care about downgrade ability, since I prefer the non-New Experience interface, which I understand isn't an option anyway.

    My overall point here is that these are choices Tivo is making. Some choices I compare to Tivo making it impossible to connect a new e-sata drive to the e-sata port, because they wanted to limit people from easily upgrading their Tivos. (yes I know its not difficult for a hardware geek to open and upgrade the drive, but that does void the warranty.) and yet my Bolt has an e-sata port which will only work with specific drive serial numbers for drives that haven't been sold for close to 8 years.
     
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    NorthAlabama

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    i would have been shocked if tivo had allowed the edge to downgrade to te3, it's not like microsoft offers windows 10 pc owners the option to downgrade to windows 7 if they'd like.
     
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    NorthAlabama

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    schatham

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    HerronScott

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    And with new PC hardware, it doesn't matter if Microsoft allows downgrades if you run into driver issues. We had to move to Windows 10 2 years or so ago at work as the new PC's from Dell/Lenovo did not have Windows 7 drivers (we were on the path anyway but had not completed all application testing).

    Scott
     
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    DrMac5

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    Interesting, as we have found 90+% of our cable channel recordings DO have skip.

    The only cable channel (outside of the sports channels) that doesn't include SKIP for us is MTV.
     
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  17. Oct 4, 2019 #1177 of 1966
    krkaufman

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    Right, likely because TiVo is allocating their skip-tagging resources to the channels and shows their data indicate are most watched. The absolute skip coverage isn’t as important as getting the most popular content tagged.
     
  18. Oct 4, 2019 #1178 of 1966
    NotVeryWitty

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    Seems to me that Tivo could save their support staff time and work by creating an SPS code for turning off the pre-roll ads. In fact I wonder if such a code already (secretly) exists...
     
  19. Oct 4, 2019 #1179 of 1966
    Joe3

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    About not going the a previous version, but in the days, you would have been absolutely right. You would assume and correctly that you were getting the latest and greatest. Everything would be an upgrade as increased processing speeds were chased every few years with an ever expanding slate of more functionality and
    Speed.

    I don't know what happened, but I know it's not that way today. I strongly suspect companies are lining their pockets with cheap labor, and outcome is garbage in and garbage out. Therefore, the wise stays with what works. The version of what has been proven to work for them and the borderline scams be damned.
     
  20. Oct 4, 2019 #1180 of 1966
    CloudAtlas

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    Technically a downgrade but it’s so limited. All it’s doing is blowing away your current OS setup and installing a brand new OS. Now go and find old OS device drivers.

    1) Did You Upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 8.1 and want to go back to Windows 8.1?
    Note: This is only available for the first month after upgrading and is only compatible with Windows 8.1.

    2) Did you purchase a system with Windows 10 and want to use Windows 8.1 instead?

    You will have to replace Windows 10 with a fresh installation of Windows 8.1 using original installation media.

    At this point you need to configure your system by installing your backups and software and ensuring the correct drivers are installed.”
     
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