TiVo inserting short advert before playing a recording

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  1. Sep 24, 2019 #821 of 1992
    schatham

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    I get tired of hearing how retail is worthless to Tivo and their bread and butter is MSO's. Show some facts to support this because if it was true why not just kill off retail Tivo if it's such a burden.

    Also Tivo should have waited and put the pre-roll ads in their new content. That would be fair.
     
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  2. Sep 24, 2019 #822 of 1992
    bricco

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    When can we expect to get our hands on the Tivo Edge? 4-Tuner OTA and 6-Tuner Cable, please.
     
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  3. Sep 24, 2019 #823 of 1992
    opfreak

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    only after he apologizes for calling a spinning circle that loads an ad a 'feature'.

    Also joke went over your heads.
     
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  4. Sep 24, 2019 #824 of 1992
    Mikeguy

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    Thanks, Ted--the danger of fractured information coming to people, from multiple sources, as well as the absence of other information. My personal consternation is with what seems to have been the original news source (apart from here ;) ) on the pre-roll rollout, routinely citing an unidentified "TiVo spokesperson." TiVo Rolling Out Skippable Pre-Roll Ads for Retail DVRs | Light Reading

    Having you here is a good thing.
     
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  5. Sep 24, 2019 #825 of 1992
    cwoody222

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    There is no “special version update”. They just flip a switch on your account in the back end.
     
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  6. Sep 24, 2019 #826 of 1992
    krkaufman

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    How many flips are involved, in toto?
     
  7. Sep 24, 2019 #827 of 1992
    Joe3

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    Can't serve two masters. Can't burn a candle at both ends and not get burned.
     
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  8. Sep 24, 2019 #828 of 1992
    Mikeguy

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    Really, there can't be a happy compromise for a company?
     
  9. Sep 24, 2019 #829 of 1992
    mntvjunkie

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    First, you are overestimating how much money TiVo makes from cable companies. The most recent number, which is probably a bit low, was around $2 per box to MSO’s. IF TiVo rolls out ads to MSO’s, they would easily get80% or more of that revenue, as they would owe some of it back to the programmers. Assuming per-box revenue for MSO has increased to $5, they would still make more on retail, if the volume was the same.

    Now, ads go for an average of $3 per 1000 impressions. Average sub would likely see about 2500 in a year, so $7.50 a year per box. Let’s assume, again very low numbers, that the average TiVo consumer spends $750 on their TiVo over 6 years (this assumes half of the customers don’t get new boxes, assumes at least some pay monthly, and some have minis or multiple boxes). Simple math says that for each lost sub it would take 100 years to make up the ad revenue. Even if you think my estimations suck and you half that, it’s 50 years. Think I’m WAAAY off? 1/4 would still be 25 years.

    Some will leave, some will forgo planned purchases. It’s hard to come up with any number that doesn’t lose them money over no ads, which is why they’ll turn them off if you complain.
     
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  10. Sep 24, 2019 #830 of 1992
    Joe3

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    No, not a Rovi/TiVo company. Unless the Edge can produce something more than an embarrassing giggle from the tech world and prove itself as a tech company. But they have had more years to prove they are still in the technology business, more years than any other tech company and so far has failed dissapontingly to show any progress other than a willingness to pick at our bones with ads. Rather, than giving us the technology that meets the needs of their customers, instead they chose to bite the hand that feeds them. The Rovi business plan.
     
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  11. Sep 24, 2019 #831 of 1992
    tommage1

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    That is good news, I guess it was just a rumor. Since I can roll back to TE3 anytime I will continue my "test" of TE4 on my Bolt, thanks :) Oh, you do say "to your knowledge", if that changes please post BEFORE they would do it.
     
  12. Sep 24, 2019 #832 of 1992
    mntvjunkie

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    Not saying TiVo would ever do this, but they COULD force TE 4 on you, even if you roll back (per the terms and conditions). They could also choose to outright discontinue the S3 and S4 regardless of lifetime status.

    Again, not saying they would, but I also never thought they would do this, so.....
     
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  13. Sep 24, 2019 #833 of 1992
    Series3Sub

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    Huh?
     
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  14. Sep 24, 2019 #834 of 1992
    BobCamp1

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    Congratulations! I'm serious, BTW. Good luck with the Tablo -- it's not a bad DVR.

    I'd also refer you to the Amazon Recast, but Amazon Prime puts NON-SKIPPABLE pre-roll ads in their streaming videos, so it's only a matter of time before they put that in the Recast. Somehow I don't think it's the right DVR for you. :)
     
  15. Sep 24, 2019 #835 of 1992
    randian

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    Those ads are 100% skippable on my Apple TV. I just fast-forward through them. It takes maybe 10 seconds to skip a minute or so of ads. They aren't terrible, since they're ads for other Amazon Video content and not random things like detergent.
     
  16. Sep 24, 2019 #836 of 1992
    KevTech

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    Should have just made a TE5 for edge and the pre roll ads are only on that plus any other units moving forward.
     
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  17. Sep 24, 2019 #837 of 1992
    BobCamp1

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    But then they wouldn't be able to take advantage of their existing customers. That previous sentence has two meanings.
     
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  18. Sep 24, 2019 #838 of 1992
    tenthplanet

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    The day there is a TE5, I can see it now.. I can't roll back to TE3 :eek: I can't roll back to TE4 :eek: I can't stream 8K :mad::eek::eek:. Google bought Tivo(Rovi) :eek::eek::eek: Wait wipe that last one from you mind, you did not read that..:D
     
  19. Sep 24, 2019 #839 of 1992
    WVZR1

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    The WV...
    Yes!!!

    Putting this 'FEATURE' out there unbeknownst to users answered all of their questions. What hardware handled it seemingly well, what hardware didn't/doesn't and generated opinions . The 72 hour delay in 'removing' allowed them also addition time to analyze the same as well as the likely revolt of the current users. They had CEDIA so they needed to implement it for marketing and it's very likely that the 'EDGE' hardware handles it well. With proper hardware it's maybe NOT to be considered a feature but likely less of a nuisance - there's no public release of the EDGE yet and I've seen no pricing links so who knows?

    The S'ware package on the EDGE that was put into a users hands to rectify a sales issue certainly hinted a 'Beta' build!
     
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  20. Sep 24, 2019 #840 of 1992
    krkaufman

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    That reminds me ... Didn’t Google buy SageTV? Whatever happened there?
     

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