TiVo inserting short advert before playing a recording

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  1. Sep 23, 2019 #501 of 2517
    jlb

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    Question....the ads truly are PRE-roll, right? I.e., they only kick in when you start a program from the beginning, right? It won't happen when you pick up in the middle of a program or resuming after a pause?
     
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    JoeKustra

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    FYI: @TiVo_Ted paid us a visit yesterday.
     
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    PSU_Sudzi

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    I guess we’ll see if there is any news from him on this or not.
     
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  4. Sep 23, 2019 #504 of 2517
    jlb

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    do tell.....
     
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    OrangeCrush

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    I'm not going back to cable, period. My Roamio & four minis were a great solution for OTA for a while but their app platform is a ghost town and I've given up hope that TiVo will ever be a viable one-remote solution with my streaming services all in one place. There were supposed to be apps for Roku & Fire TV by now, still nowhere in sight, and the mobile app and out of home streaming situation is still basically unusable.

    Pre-roll ads are just the cherry on top. I'm done. Everything's listed on eBay, and all my TiVo hardware will be gone by the end of the week.

    Ah yes, "it's not that bad." Yet. That's the old "boiling a frog" method of adding customer-hostile anti-features to equipment I've already paid quite a lot of money for. No thanks.

    I'm also not cool with my TiVo launching some kind of ad-display app before I try to play a recording. I've had my box freeze and crash trying to launch netflix, amazon and hulu enough times to be really wary of them adding any new chores to the Roamio's underpowered SoC. It might just be a 15 second ad, but how long is that blue circle going to spin before and after it plays? The load times for the streaming apps are pretty terrible, so I'm not filled with confidence on that one. And if their stupid ad causes my box to freeze or reboot, I'm liable to rip it out of my entertainment center and smash it to bits. Needless to say, I won't be sticking around to find out.
     
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    Charles R

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    Welcome to the club. :)
     
  7. Sep 23, 2019 #507 of 2517
    krkaufman

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    So you'll be running TE3, regardless, and it's unlikely that we'll see the pre-roll ads extending to TE3 before your return window closes -- which is just 30 days, not 60, right? If anything, waiting to initialize the box may cross the point where TiVo decides that TE4 BOLTs are no longer allowed to rollback.

    'gist: I can't see why your unit is still boxed, if you'll be running TE3, anyway. (I don't need to understand, of course.)
     
  8. Sep 23, 2019 #508 of 2517
    jwbelcher

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    "at present" is exactly right. It's only a matter of time until the mobile TiVo apps receive this "feature". I'm actually surprised it didn't start on the apps first since they're "free" downloads.

    This is the just the beginning, but for me it's the end.
     
  9. Sep 23, 2019 #509 of 2517
    WVZR1

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    That is the 'gist of my questions to TiVo - Since the 'PRE-ROLL' started is the TE4 'lock' already a done deal. In the 'wrapper' might still be conversational. Having lost Xfinity VOD and NOT being able to use VOX maybe there's TiVo considerations! Who knows and yes you don't need to 'understand'!!

    ***In the 'wrapper' and with a 3 year warranty might increase 'sale-ability'. Who knows! If TiVo just came forward and explained to AISP holders the options 'all would be well'! I ain't bothered either way!
     
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    PSU_Sudzi

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    If you look at his TCF profile you can see his last visit was yesterday.
     
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  11. Sep 23, 2019 #511 of 2517
    NashGuy

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    Ah, OK. When I said you had to push a button to skip ads in SkipMode, I was referring to regular ads in the recording. I had forgotten that TiVo updated their SkipMode feature to allow for automatic skipping without the need to press the button at the start of each ad break.

    So now TiVo lets users opt once into full auto-skipping of ads. They clearly don't seem too afraid of hacking off the powers-that-be. I guess as long as they make such a feature optional on TiVo boxes for pay TV partners, they're not concerned about the impact that ad-skipping on their retail devices might have on their business relationships.
     
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  12. Sep 23, 2019 #512 of 2517
    mschnebly

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    My prediction is that in a couple of months TiVo folks will be saying "It's not that bad. A few extra button pushes wont matter. We can live with it because TiVo is the bestest DVR ever!"
    The real anger will build as cable companies move to IPTV for most of the good channels and cable cards become as rare as hen's teeth. The really good thing is that we have choices like never before to control where and how we get our content.
     
  13. Sep 23, 2019 #513 of 2517
    Joe3

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    You hope to dissuade others from thinking about or starting a class action suit. The objective rational is that you solve a problem where it is and speak.
     
  14. Sep 23, 2019 #514 of 2517
    krkaufman

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    Clearly not based on the numerous reports of others successfully rolling-back their TE4 BOLTs to TE3 since this thread began.

    wuh?
     
  15. Sep 23, 2019 #515 of 2517
    jlb

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    LOL....I read it as maybe Ted actually visited Dan. silly me.
     
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  16. Sep 23, 2019 #516 of 2517
    jlb

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    Has anyone with TE3 seen ads yet?
     
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    humbb

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    I might actually (could be, possibly) be talked into living with pre-roll skippable ads if TiVo rolled their new revenue into a Gracenote guide switch. Maaaaybe.
     
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  18. Sep 23, 2019 #518 of 2517
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    I think this fear of cable cards going away is overblown. I could easily see them going IPTV only if/when they offer 4K channels - that requires new hardware anyway so they can make the new hardware use IPTV for those channels. But they can't convert say HBO or ESPN to use IPTV only unless they've upgraded every receiver in the field to be IPTV capable. Going IPTV is basically an all or nothing proposition for HD.

    How many cable companies are still on MPEG2, or still have SD duplicates of HD channels? I know Comcast has converted to MPEG4 in some markets, so if ALL of the MPEG4 receivers in those markets are IPTV capable they might be able to consider taking them IPTV only. Is any other cable company as close as they are along that path?

    My cable company (Mediacom) still uses MPEG2 and still has SD duplicate channels, so I feel 100% confident they won't go IPTV until long after my Bolt gives up the ghost or I give up my Bolt because Tivo decides to start shoving ads in my face on TE3.
     
  19. Sep 23, 2019 #519 of 2517
    NashGuy

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    What you mean is that there's no existing *statutory law* passed by Congress that allows DVR usage. There is, however, *case law* that has emerged through court rulings that allows DVR usage. I knew that there was no statute on the books explicitly permitting DVR usage. (It's pretty rare for legislative bodies to pass laws explicitly confirming that a particular act is legal. The presumption is that any act is legal unless and until a law says otherwise.) When I referred to existing law regarding DVR usage, I was talking about the body of case law that developed in the courts when IP owners in the past sued makers of VCRs, DVRs, etc.

    Yes, agreed.

    Yes, I agree with what you're saying but I'm not sure why you're off on this specific question of avoiding the recording of ads in the broadcast signal in the first place. (I didn't bring it up -- I referred to the "excision," i.e. surgical removal, of ads from completed recordings.) I don't know of any products, niche or otherwise, that do not record ads to the hard drive. When you say "niche products," I assume you're referring to Plex, Channels Plus, etc., but those products record the entire broadcast, including ads, and then allow the user to turn on a setting that either alters the recorded file to cut out the ads, or to auto-skip over the ads during playback (as TiVo allows).

    Yes, agreed.

    Yeah, maybe. Although that seems like a pretty weak case to me and one that could be defeated by TiVo, as you say, using an on-screen notification that their ads are their own. Lots of forced streaming ads in apps like Hulu, Tubi, etc. have some kind of count-down notification on screen showing you how far you are through the ad pod (e.g. ad 2 of 3, :37 remaining). They could simply include "Ads from TiVo" in that on-screen graphic and make it clear in the product's initial guided set-up and user terms that "Ads from TiVo" are coming from TiVo's servers and are in no way affiliated with the providers of the content that they appear next to. And as far as the skipping of the original broadcast ads, I'd think TiVo would treat that the same as they do now with SkipMode: make it a user opt-in and, once set, it would automatically happen on all recordings. (Maybe TiVo would, like other DVR services, decide to use AI to set the start and end of each broadcast ad pod for SkipMode purposes as opposed to having human monitors manually mark the skip points.)
     
  20. Sep 23, 2019 #520 of 2517
    schatham

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    That zero down Bolt is not related to the ads, it's zero down with a higher monthly rate. I have one of the cable card zero down bolts, it's $20 a month vs $15 a month for 2 years.

    On a side note, not on demand, but HBO Go now works on Comcast.
     
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