TiVo inserting short advert before playing a recording

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by andyf, Sep 19, 2019.

  1. Sep 22, 2019 #461 of 2517

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    Columbia, MD


    My problem with TiVo doing this is that they are, effectively, modifying the recorded program by inserting a preroll ad. Seems like they are violating some copyright and programming rights.

    It’s stupid because they open themselves up to lawsuits about skipping commercials but inserting their own. Even if they win the suits, they are opening themselves up to legal costs.

    But my real problem is that I’m betting this is not going to be quick or seamless. I’ve seen enough of their blue circles to know it is going to cause problems.
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  2. Sep 22, 2019 #462 of 2517

    NorthAlabama tabasco rules

    Apr 19, 2012
    sweet home, al
    well, more accurately, live guide is only dead in te4. ;)
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  3. Sep 22, 2019 #463 of 2517

    Davelnlr_ N5GGG

    Jan 12, 2011
    Do you have a mini? If so, when you try to play a recording from the Bolt+, does the mini also play the pre-roll ad? If not, I might just use a mini and keep the bolt disconnected from the TV.
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  4. Sep 22, 2019 #464 of 2517

    Bigg Cord Cutter

    Oct 30, 2003
    I don't see much reason why they couldn't do it in realtime. YouTube and Hulu do it. I'd agree that the probably are pre-downloading. All we really need is someone with TE4 who is getting these ads to go into their router and see if their TiVo uses a bunch of bandwidth when they go to start up a show.
  5. Sep 22, 2019 #465 of 2517

    SullyND L: 31-14 (10-2) TCF Club

    Dec 30, 2004
    Chicago Burbs


    I suppose there’s nothing stopping them from adding commercials in the middle either...

    ...Your program will continue in 15 seconds...
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  6. Sep 22, 2019 #466 of 2517

    Joe3 Active Member

    Dec 12, 2006
    Boston MA
    Of course Rovi will defend themselves in this an other ways, like anyone who is trying to hide the truth, but their actions, repeated pattern of behavior fits a narrative that will show and tell the truth in Court in a class action suit in front of a judge. They can say they're a "ham sandwich," but they're going to have to prove it with so much questionable behavior to the contrary.

    Once again, the ads inserted while others can be skipped is the broadcast/network lawsuit not ours.

    Ours is a class action lawsuit showing that Rovi misrepresented themselves as a tech company to existing customers and future customers by hiding the true nature of the company as being predatory at the time of acquiring TiVo.
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2019
  7. Sep 22, 2019 #467 of 2517

    TostitoBandito Active Member

    Sep 17, 2006
    Mill Creek, WA
    So has anyone been able to get these ads disabled for their device?

    When I first saw them tonight I thought my Tivo was being weird/slow. I was trying to play a recording and it went to a black screen with a spinning circle for a bit and then I lost all video input apart from some chopped up sound. It wouldn't really respond to any input, or it would respond VERY slowly, and it took a good minute to sort of get back to live TV. I rebooted it later on after it did this again on a different recording, and then after the reboot I noticed it was serving the ad. Well, trying to serve the ad. It took a while to load it and then it was all choppy. I tried another recording and it played ok, but it was the same stupid ad each time for "see something say something" or whatever. Also, trying to skip the ad with any sort of button presses is pointless since the Tivo is so laggy and unresponsive while it's serving the ad that it'll take you longer to try to skip it and recover than to just watch it. I'm also curious what happens if your internet is down and you try to watch a recording. Does it just sit there and spin trying to reach the server?

    This is truly awful. As has been said in this thread already, this feature has no business being rolled out to people with lifetime boxes, at the very least.
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  8. Sep 22, 2019 #468 of 2517

    exdishguy Active Member

    Apr 30, 2004
    Christ - I haven't even thought of that. Good point. Albeit, they could implement it in Live Guide by giving up one row (so 7 channels instead of 8).
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  9. Sep 22, 2019 #469 of 2517

    moyekj Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2006
    Wow, sounds worse than I could have imagined. I'm very curious if you can use the TiVo app to start playing a recording on the TiVo (instead of the using the TiVo itself) and see if that triggers the pre-roll ad as well? i.e. Go to the virtual remote of the App and find a show and start play from there. Also if you happen to be a kmttg user, attempt to start playback from kmttg My Shows table to see what happens.
  10. Sep 22, 2019 #470 of 2517

    slice1900 Active Member

    Dec 2, 2005
    You do realize the grid guide has ALWAYS been an option, right? It isn't as though using TE3 means you must use the Live Guide.

    Also, the app uses the same guide format regardless of whether your Tivo is set to use Live Guide or grid guide...
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  11. Sep 22, 2019 #471 of 2517

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

    Nov 25, 2003
    Thank you for the attempt at trying to flesh-out just how far the rollout extends, at present.
  12. Sep 22, 2019 #472 of 2517

    oscarfish Active Member

    Mar 1, 2009
    To me, this is actually what the the whole thing comes down to. What is the actual experience of having that ad in there. Tivo says they are skippable, but we'll see what that user experience is actually like.

    It seems like I am the only person on this thread that pads my recordings. In a best case scenario, now I will have to hit the 30 sec skip button 5 times instead of 4 (I pad by 2 min), or hit the commercial break skip button if that works. All of my recordings already have ads at the beginning, 2 min worth, it's just from the previous program, although sometimes its the previous program itself.

    Having 6 tuners and being able to auto pre and post pad a program is one of the great features of a Tivo.

    My fear/concern is that this pre-roll ad won't let me queue up 30 sec skips like normal. I'm also suspicious of those BSC blocking the skip presses. I can see lots that could go wrong with integrating a video source from the net with a local video source. Waiting for an ad to download that I'm just going skip would not be optimal.

    But if they can make it work like normal skipping (not auto-skip) does mid-program, then it won't actually change much of anything for me. That is until the ad skip feature is turned off, but I'll worry about that then.
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  13. Sep 22, 2019 #473 of 2517

    KevTech Active Member

    Apr 15, 2014
    People have called Tivo and said they do not want the ads.

    Tivo says they will remove them but it will take up to 72 hours.

    I will refer you to this post by djones18: TiVo inserting short advert before playing a recording

    If you call let us know after three days if the ads stop.
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  14. Sep 22, 2019 #474 of 2517

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2005
    (Just for completeness and as a general matter, the copyright fair-use exception also applies to commercial use--but that type of use figures into the consideration as to whether fair use should apply. E.g. the use of video performance excerpts in news reports and reviews.)
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  15. Sep 22, 2019 #475 of 2517

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2005
    But as I noted a bunch of pages back, and as again is noted above:
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  16. Sep 22, 2019 #476 of 2517

    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

    Jul 6, 2002
    My TE3 units record things all the time when I'm not home and I'm using the Live Guide exclusively, and the website and Tivo app function just fine when I'm not at home and they use a modified TE4 style guide, I really fail to see how recording or programming when not at home has anything to do with Live vs Hydra guides.
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  17. Sep 23, 2019 #477 of 2517

    Hyrax Member

    Sep 1, 2007
    If I were getting these ads (I'm not), I would try going into my router and schedule (via parental control on my router) the Tivo so it is only allowed to connect to the Internet once a week between the hours of 2 AM and 6 AM. My thinking is that they cannot stream an ad when the Tivo cannot access the Internet.

    Has anyone tried this? I don't see how it could cause a problem as long as you give it enough time to download the guide. The only way Tivo could counter this would be to download a lot of ads to your Tivo while it is updating the guide and then insert them into the show. I suspect they would not try this because filling up our hard drives with ads would really get lawyers involved.
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  18. Sep 23, 2019 #478 of 2517

    TostitoBandito Active Member

    Sep 17, 2006
    Mill Creek, WA

    Yeah, I mean if they played a short ad before my recording and it was quick and seamless to load (and responsive if you wanted to back out of it), then I wouldn't be nearly as annoyed. But making my Tivo behave like it's in the process of having a stroke while it's trying to load the stupid ad, and then having the entire process of serving the ad take at least twice as long as the ad itself is unacceptable.
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  19. Sep 23, 2019 #479 of 2517

    TKnight206 Active Member

    Oct 20, 2016
    With my legacy Comcast DVR that I used to have, there was an ad at the bottom of the guide... how annoying and a waste of space. With TiVo, no ad there, but then we have the Discovery Bar at the top... along with Pause ads, Delete ads, Folder ads, and TiVo Central ads sometimes showing up. I hate those.

    How about offering an ad-free version? I mean completely ad-free. An ad would be something that would generate TiVo revenue, even if it's for placing a TV show up in the Discovery Bar. There is a monetary value to this. What if we, TiVo users, were willing to match that value so we don't see ads anymore? Would it matter if the revenue is coming from current sponsors or TiVo users? This would be optional on top of any monthly, annual, or lifetime subscriptions. Anyone have thoughts on this idea?

    I'm basing my comment on "ok, TiVo, you want to increase revenue" mentioned.
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  20. Sep 23, 2019 #480 of 2517

    TKnight206 Active Member

    Oct 20, 2016
    The more people who skip the pre-roll ads, the less they're worth. If too many skip them, wouldn't TiVo have incentive to make them unskippable? Or at the very least, force someone to watch five or ten seconds of them before becoming skippable? Commercials have value because people watch them and go out and buy the product.
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