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TiVo Hydra/Gen4 User Interface reviews and comments thread

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Mikeguy, Oct 28, 2017.

  1. Jan 17, 2018 #901 of 1080
    holysin

    holysin New Member

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    Small Tivo Hydra bug on the roamio OTA: when you're done watching a program (note: ONLY when you've actually watched a whole program, not when you start a show and skip to the end) and choose to delete it, the screen goes back to the recorded programs list (good) but plays live audio (bad), you have to exit the program list and go back in to stop the audio. (also it would be awesome if you could play all recordings under a group as in the previous O/S, but other than that, I'm happy with the new system.)
     
  2. Jan 23, 2018 #902 of 1080
    DD_Ranch

    DD_Ranch New Member

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    No doubt some of these have been listed elsewhere in this thread. There's simply no way I'm going to search for all of them. ;)

    FWIW, I'm overall pleased with the new interface. Happy to be on the beta. (To all you Negative Nancy's out there, this is in fact a Beta and you had to agree to the fact that it may not work as anticipated. Patience people!)

    The words between '>' and ':' represent the current page. Followed by the observed behavior.

    TiVo Mini
    >My Shows: Tile View collapses to the group level when navigating up/down the list.
    >My Shows: When only one show, why must one enter Tile View to play the show.
    >My Shows: Play all in group is not available.
    >My Shows: Tile View - Display more info about the selected show. There's plenty of space on the screen. Channel, HD/SD, Actors, rating, ranking, etc. Don't make us go to the next screen when there's room on this one.
    >Guide: Cannot pause/start Live TV.
    >Guide: Sometimes can hear Live TV, but the window is not visible.
    >Guide: Cannot press enter to search!!!!!!!!!!! Have to go back to TiVo menu and select search option. WTF???????????
    >Playback: Pressing left arrow (because that's what we used to do to return to My Shows) opens favorite channels list. Must press Back 3x to return to My Shows. If pressing left opens & closes favorite channels, then Back should go back to the previous screen.
    >Guide: Continually resets to channel 2. Sometimes the tuner is on the expected channel, but the guide comes up on channel 2.
    >Guide: Actor's names missing. Need to truncate description or move the YBRG button descriptions elsewhere and move the guide grid down.
    >Live TV: Enter does not revert to the previously tuned channel.
    >Live TV: Starting a show while it is recording, prevents skip from working even after recording has finished and going back through My Shows to play the show. Tried starting over and still didn't work. Had to let play to the end of the show, select 'don't delete' and then it worked when show started from the beginning.
    >Home: Same shows are always listed.
    >Home: Selecting a show should open that entry in My Shows. Why must we press back to get to My Shows.
    >Home: Why no '9' for the shortcuts?
    >Home: 50% of the screen is unused. Why not show Live TV? Or a couple of Apps? Or messages like shows being clipped?
    >Upcoming Episodes - Tile View: Show more detail on each tile... date, time, channel and whether or not it's scheduled to record. Must currently navigate to each tile or go to View All. Again... There's plenty of room on the screen to show detail.
     
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  3. Jan 24, 2018 #903 of 1080
    ohboy710

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    Don't upgrade, you will regret it.
     
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  4. Jan 25, 2018 #904 of 1080
    JayMan747

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    SPOT ON!!!
     
  5. Feb 1, 2018 #905 of 1080
    The Merg

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    Perfectly stated.

    I would also add as to why is it that even when you only have one episode does it create a folder. I even see it do that for movies that I have recorded. For example, "The Girl on the Train" is in its own folder so that I can't just highlight it in the PlayList and hit Play. That's ridiculous.

    - Merg

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  6. Feb 1, 2018 #906 of 1080
    solutionsetc

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    Yup!
     
  7. Feb 1, 2018 #907 of 1080
    oryan_dunn

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    But it's not a beta. It's shipping on new Tivo boxes.


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  8. Feb 1, 2018 #908 of 1080
    realityboy

    realityboy Well-Known Member

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    I’ve been using Hydra for a few weeks now, and these are the 2 features that I miss the most. The first one shouldn’t be a huge deal since it only needs to be done once, but unfortunately, the new Bolt+ that I bought from Amazon died after 3 weeks, and now I have to redo the channel list on the replacement.
     
  9. Feb 2, 2018 #909 of 1080
    deacon523

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    (quoting DD_Ranch below, rather than repeat his excellent summary). My main issue is that Tivo took a mature interface, with logical and intuitive navigation, and screwed up all the things that made Tivo great, while offering little in return but a different GUI. It used to be that using another DVR was a pain because the Tivo interface was so much better, with Hydra it seems little different thanwhat is being offered by Xfinity or FiOS, and that is sad. And the worst thing: all of these issues are fixable. Get on it, Tivo! I can't imagine there is anyone clamoring to not use the left arrow opposed to the back-button.

    Some comments below.

    These all represent steps back, imo. Why do away with these features?

    One of my biggest gripes, why not have this information with so much screen realstate available, just another thing requiring more work to get the same information.

    Worse, it always reverts to Channel two, which on FiOS is the home shopping network or whatever, so now I have yammering about commemorative plates, and no way to turn it off without muting the tv or going back to live tv and changing the channel manually.


    100% agree. And why change the left arrow at all? have up or info pull up that useless menu instead.

    This is a huge irritant and needs to be fixed ASAP.


    Another function that is just simply "missing." Why remove this feature? I used it constantly on every Tivo I've ever owned.

    Right! what else is that 9 button doing?

    They went to the trouble of reducing the font and making the screen HD, why not use that space for a purpose? Most particularly, I want to see the date in my programs list - earlier iterations of tivo showed the date of the most recent recording, even if sorted by group. Bring that back.


    Hydra looks and feels like it was designed by committee without any thought to what the tivo community wanted or needed. Yes, it is "different" but not only is it not better, it is a huge step back in many ways. The only benefit is a slightly sleeker looking GUI, and much of that is wasted. As mentioned above, all these things are easily fixable, so fix it, Tivo!
     
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  10. Feb 2, 2018 #910 of 1080
    aaronwt

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    I think there are more important things to fix first.

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  11. Feb 3, 2018 #911 of 1080
    Rkkeller

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    I disagree and love the new UI, looks and works more like other DVR's now not an ugly plain blue screen. A lot of screens have more pictures and graphics too if you know how to use them.
    Great experience, I hope they change very little, works great to me.
     
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  12. Feb 3, 2018 #912 of 1080
    RoamioJeff

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    A committee from Fisher-Price.
     
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  13. Feb 3, 2018 #913 of 1080
    HerronScott

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    I had a fellow System Engineer make the same comment about Windows XP when it came out. He apparently got used to it as years later he used the same comment about Windows 7. :)

    Scott
     
  14. Feb 4, 2018 #914 of 1080
    RoamioJeff

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    I remember. The default desktop theme had the big blobby green Start button, and all the menus and dialogs had a pre-school look. In every version since then I have selected the "Classic" theme. Clean and precise with a minimum of visual distraction.

    Yep. In the final analysis we are all frogs in a pot where the burner heat is slowly turned up and we get used to it before we realize the water is boiling.
     
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  15. Feb 4, 2018 #915 of 1080
    HerronScott

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    I never saw it as a "pre-school" look myself (XP or Windows 7).

    Scott
     
  16. Feb 8, 2018 #916 of 1080
    borghen

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    I just downgraded and couldn't be happier. Hydra did not have a high WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor).. In fact, the wife hated it.

    I agree with most of what other people have stated already, but a few complaints are:
    My Shows: should show more information, yes, it's sorted by date, but come on, at least show the date.
    My Shows: So many more clicks needed to get to information
    Mini Guide: I think you hit the down button, and you get a humongous single channel row. That's almost useless. I use the mini guide a LOT.
    Menu: Cool, I can add 4 options, but why can't I arrange the first 4, and why only 8?

    They seemed to go with a minimalist approach, but it just feels cheap, and underwhelming with all the hard edges and corners. There needs to be a lot more work.
     
  17. Feb 8, 2018 #917 of 1080
    Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    RE: Hydra on new hardware...

    It is no mystery...they had built up plans for the rollout of the VOX units for the Holidays and needed software that supported it. It was pushed out while the paint was still wet. It is getting better and most operational issues have been resolved.
     
  18. Feb 10, 2018 #918 of 1080
    siratfus

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    Out of the loop on Hydra, but now that it's Feb 2018. Has there been improvements? I have one Roamio Plus, and 3 minis. Any reason why I shouldn't upgrade to Hydra? I'm not concerned with aesthetics, I'll generally prefer things trying to be more modern. My only concern is performance. Will things be slower, glitchy-er, etc. Thanks!
     
  19. Feb 11, 2018 #919 of 1080
    richsadams

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    Same boat here. Got a bit excited reading about the VOX remote but after some due diligence including reading most of this thread, the wind's been taken out of my sails. I'm particularly concerned about the WAF after reading about borghen's experience. If the wife ain't happy...

    I know a good deal of this boils down to taste and I'm fine with a bit of a learning curve, but I do not want to lose any of the current features we (and most folks) enjoy. Plus with about 75% of a 3TB drive full of recordings I am NOT about to roll back so I want to go in eyes wide open.

    Welcome some additional thoughts about the current state of the Hydra GUI as well as the performance of the VOX Remote.

    TIA!
     
  20. Feb 11, 2018 #920 of 1080
    BigJimOutlaw

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    They've released a few bug fixes but no substantive usability improvements yet. There is supposed to be another update at the end of the month but that's not shaping up to be a big leap either, and the missing features will remain MIA for the foreseeable.

    Speed isn't a huge problem. It's not as fast as gen3, but it's not slow per se.
     
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