TiVo Hydra/Gen4 User Interface reviews and comments thread

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Mikeguy, Oct 28, 2017.

  1. Jan 12, 2018 #881 of 1099

    lessd Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2005


    I think you can do that with a Hydra TiVo also, should make no difference except you will have to do some xfers on-line
  2. Jan 12, 2018 #882 of 1099

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

    May 6, 2002
    Online is the only way to transfer to a Hydrated TiVo.
  3. Jan 13, 2018 #883 of 1099
    Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Aug 21, 2002
    New York...
    Given unlimited processing power and memory, sure. But we are talking about a DVR, which has limited CPU and memory, plus a limited disk partition in which to manage it all.

    Trust me, I've been managing software development for data management solutions for 30 years...reversing an upgrade process is often considerably more difficult than the upgrade itself.
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  4. Jan 13, 2018 #884 of 1099

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2002
    Staunton, VA
    You can save your 1P/SP with kmttg and upload them after reverting. Also, depending on your cable company, you can do the same with content (Comcast that would be almost all content except movie channels).

  5. Jan 13, 2018 #885 of 1099

    ajwees41 Well-Known Member

    May 7, 2006


    think the op wants to transfer from hydra not to hydra
  6. Jan 13, 2018 #886 of 1099

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

    May 6, 2002
    I was responding to what lessd posted.
  7. Jan 13, 2018 #887 of 1099

    bradleys It'll be fine....

    Oct 31, 2007
    I think it is even more than significant database changes. The current UI uses a cross compile API called HAXE. This new version moves away from Flash / Haxe completely. I am not sure a direct rollback would even be possible considering that architecture level change.

    And like @Diana Collins, I have managed software products for over 20 years.

    Unlike @Diana Collins, I chose to wait a little while before upgrading, mostly because of the loss of the live guide.
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  8. Jan 13, 2018 #888 of 1099

    EvilMidniteBombr what bomz at midnite

    May 25, 2006
    Recently received a factory refurbished Bolt from TiVo. It shipped with or upgraded to the Hydra UI. I have a Mini that is connected to it and had to upgrade to Hydra. I've played around with the interface a bit and overall I think it looks fine but there are things that I used a lot that are now gone.

    1. Cannot sort program guide by channel name. It is especially handy when setting up a new TiVo when typing have to delete duplicate channels (mostly eliminating SD channels that are available in HD)
    2. No subcategories for sports, movies etc., in the channel guide.
    3. TiVo home screen shortcuts have changed. I used the TiVo + number shortcuts all the time.
    4. Not being able to play an entire folder. (according to what I've read. I don't have any recordings on that Bolt to test it.
    5. It's way too easy to lose your live TV buffer. Even pressing the Live button on the remote takes you to the channel were watching but the buffer is gone.
    That's just what I've found so far. I really hope TiVo adds this functionality back in to the interface.
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  9. Jan 14, 2018 #889 of 1099

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2002
    Staunton, VA
    You are saying that they are not using Haxe with Hydra (and where did you get that info)? I thought the benefit of using Haxe was being able to support different hardware?

  10. Jan 14, 2018 #890 of 1099

    Johncv Well-Known Member

    Jun 11, 2002
    Chula Vista, CA
    I read somewhere that Hydra is using Android (could be wrong).
  11. Jan 14, 2018 #891 of 1099

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2002
    Staunton, VA
    I don't think that's true. Check the following article which indicates that it's not based on Android but they can/will have an Android version that can run as an Android app which is why I'm thinking that they must still be using Haxe (plus upgrading existing Bolt/Roamio's from gen3 to Hydra probably wouldn't be something they would offer if the OS changed to Android).

    TiVo Shows Off Predictive Hydra UI Again | Androidheadlines.com

  12. Jan 14, 2018 #892 of 1099

    chicagoenergy energychicago

    Nov 14, 2013
    This is correct. I did this to downgrade two Roamio units. Downgraded one at a time and moved the shows between the boxes to complete the process and not lose any shows.

    Go back to gen3 or Encore (I think that’s what it is called). It’s worth the time and effort. You’ll be happy.
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  13. Jan 15, 2018 #893 of 1099

    Barnstormer Member

    Sep 23, 2015
    Just a question. I have been reading about the Hydra interface for a few months.

    I have a Roamio OTA unit (yes, I know, old and out of date but it works so well!) and I have not seen any update to Hydra. Can I assume Hydra does not work on my Roamio and therefore I won't have to deal with it? Or is it optional to use?
  14. Jan 15, 2018 #894 of 1099

    osu1991 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2015
    Hydra is optional you have to opt in to have it sent to your TiVo. There is a thread here with the link to the opt in page. Opinions vary, but Hydra runs great on my Roamio OTA. I have no problems with either interfaces
  15. Jan 15, 2018 #895 of 1099

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

    May 6, 2002
    You have to explicitly request it. I would advise you to investigate fully before doing so as the only way to roll back if you don't like it loses everything, including recordings.

    BTW, I would hardly call a Roamio OTA "old an out of date".
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  16. Jan 15, 2018 #896 of 1099

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

    Dec 7, 2012
    Ashland, PA...
    TiVo user login

    Normal account email and password. Remember, you do lose it all to go back.

    My Roamio OTA was built 31 July 2017. It's not that old. I have replaced the fan.

    Earlier link which may also work ->New Experience
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2018
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  17. Jan 15, 2018 #897 of 1099

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    Columbia, MD
    Your list looks right. As for number 5, I haven't seen a loss of buffer that I didn't expect yet, although I don't usually use the live button to switch buffers.
  18. Jan 16, 2018 #898 of 1099

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

    Sep 19, 2006
    In the ATL
    Sez the Tivo-can't-do-anything-wrong defender. :rolleyes:
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  19. Jan 17, 2018 #899 of 1099

    holysin New Member

    Mar 15, 2002
    Small Tivo Hydra bug on the roamio OTA: when you're done watching a program (note: ONLY when you've actually watched a whole program, not when you start a show and skip to the end) and choose to delete it, the screen goes back to the recorded programs list (good) but plays live audio (bad), you have to exit the program list and go back in to stop the audio. (also it would be awesome if you could play all recordings under a group as in the previous O/S, but other than that, I'm happy with the new system.)
  20. Jan 23, 2018 #900 of 1099

    DD_Ranch New Member

    Dec 7, 2017
    No doubt some of these have been listed elsewhere in this thread. There's simply no way I'm going to search for all of them. ;)

    FWIW, I'm overall pleased with the new interface. Happy to be on the beta. (To all you Negative Nancy's out there, this is in fact a Beta and you had to agree to the fact that it may not work as anticipated. Patience people!)

    The words between '>' and ':' represent the current page. Followed by the observed behavior.

    TiVo Mini
    >My Shows: Tile View collapses to the group level when navigating up/down the list.
    >My Shows: When only one show, why must one enter Tile View to play the show.
    >My Shows: Play all in group is not available.
    >My Shows: Tile View - Display more info about the selected show. There's plenty of space on the screen. Channel, HD/SD, Actors, rating, ranking, etc. Don't make us go to the next screen when there's room on this one.
    >Guide: Cannot pause/start Live TV.
    >Guide: Sometimes can hear Live TV, but the window is not visible.
    >Guide: Cannot press enter to search!!!!!!!!!!! Have to go back to TiVo menu and select search option. WTF???????????
    >Playback: Pressing left arrow (because that's what we used to do to return to My Shows) opens favorite channels list. Must press Back 3x to return to My Shows. If pressing left opens & closes favorite channels, then Back should go back to the previous screen.
    >Guide: Continually resets to channel 2. Sometimes the tuner is on the expected channel, but the guide comes up on channel 2.
    >Guide: Actor's names missing. Need to truncate description or move the YBRG button descriptions elsewhere and move the guide grid down.
    >Live TV: Enter does not revert to the previously tuned channel.
    >Live TV: Starting a show while it is recording, prevents skip from working even after recording has finished and going back through My Shows to play the show. Tried starting over and still didn't work. Had to let play to the end of the show, select 'don't delete' and then it worked when show started from the beginning.
    >Home: Same shows are always listed.
    >Home: Selecting a show should open that entry in My Shows. Why must we press back to get to My Shows.
    >Home: Why no '9' for the shortcuts?
    >Home: 50% of the screen is unused. Why not show Live TV? Or a couple of Apps? Or messages like shows being clipped?
    >Upcoming Episodes - Tile View: Show more detail on each tile... date, time, channel and whether or not it's scheduled to record. Must currently navigate to each tile or go to View All. Again... There's plenty of room on the screen to show detail.
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2018
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