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TiVo Hydra/Gen4 User Interface reviews and comments thread

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Mikeguy, Oct 28, 2017.

  1. Jan 5, 2018 #861 of 1080
    JoeKustra

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    This thread. :) Other than that, I can't find anything unless you consider the video window animation. And it can be disabled.
     
  2. Jan 5, 2018 #862 of 1080
    BigJimOutlaw

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    The menu transitions. Instead of left/right scrolling, Hydra fades in/fades out with a little bit of zooming. You can see it in hydra videos.
     
  3. Jan 5, 2018 #863 of 1080
    aaronwt

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    Those are very minor. I only see some of the pics getting larger and smaller. And a strip sliding out from the side or bottom. Which are all very quick.. Otherwise it just seems to be static images that appear and disappear. Which is dependent on how quickly they download.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk
     
  4. Jan 6, 2018 #864 of 1080
    al_wilson2

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    I recently set up two new Roamios for family. During setup, the Roamio automatically upgraded to Hydra (or shipped with Hydra). I liked what I saw of it. The feature that I like the most was the start over feature of TV shows and movies. When clicking on something to watch live, an option is presented to start over if the shows is found on Netflix/Hulu/Vudu. Now that's a cool feature!
     
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  5. Jan 6, 2018 #865 of 1080
    NashGuy

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    Yep, very nifty. I saw recently where Roku has licensed that capability from TiVo and has incorporated into Roku TVs. If you start watching a show on an OTA channel, you can click to start over in a streaming app if available.
     
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    foghorn2

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    Nifty when the OTA recording is 4:3 and they ota channel stretched or edited it. It still seems lively as it was broadcast live- but you switched to a better uncut version instantly, STNG, STOS, Twilight Zone are fine examples we use this for with OTA/Amazon
     
  7. Jan 6, 2018 #867 of 1080
    ajwees41

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    i think direct tv or dish had start over first Tivo never offered start over
     
  8. Jan 6, 2018 #868 of 1080
    Chuck_IV

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    So, recently on my Bol, which is still on RC11, I have been losing access to all tuners. Currently, I only have 1 mini attached to the box and I know that wasn't in use, yet when I try to swp tuners, it tells me that all tuners are in use. I have to reboot the box to get functionality back.

    It has happened 3 times now int he last few days. It hadn't happened at all prior to that and I've had the box over a month now.

    Anyone else seeing this?
     
  9. Jan 6, 2018 #869 of 1080
    NashGuy

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    With TiVo, it's just linking you to that specific show within an OTT streaming app. Start Over from cable and satellite services work differently; the pay TV provider streams the show to you directly.
     
  10. Jan 12, 2018 #870 of 1080
    pat866

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    We've been a Tivo customer for 17 years, and the Tivo interface has always been far superior to any cable company DVR. Not anymore. I recently upgraded our Roamio and Mini to take advantage of VOX, but the new Hydra interface is terrible! Tivo, you took a great interface a three-year-old could navigate, and turned it into to a steaming pile of poo with Hyrda. We've tried to use it the last few weeks, but it's so hard to navigate or find anything. It's confusing and WAY too busy - go back to the KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid) method. We cut the cable cord five years ago. It may be time cut the Tivo cord now, too, unless you fix it. I'd be willing to drop the VOX - which doesn't work very well anyway - if we could just go back to the easy-to-use interface without losing our recordings. Not a fan.
     
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  11. Jan 12, 2018 #871 of 1080
    aaronwt

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    It's funny you mention three year old. I don't really know about a three year old though, but I found out a five/six year old could navigate Hydra with no problems. When my Roamio with Hydra was at my GFs house during the holidays, she had a get together with her grand nieces and grand nephews. Two of them were around five or six. And they didn't seem to have any issues navigating around the Hydra UI.

    I gave them free reign with the TiVo. Although I did have to keep an eye on them to make sure they didn't try to watch something that wasn't age appropriate. But they seemed to navigate the UI like they had been using it awhile. But I know they don't have any TiVos in their home. They were also very familiar with the Netflix kids login. I had never seen that before. I've seen the option, but I have never selected it before.
     
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  12. Jan 12, 2018 #872 of 1080
    RoamioJeff

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    Flashy flashy seems to take precedent over features now days. To the point of breaking features for the sake of that new Fisher Price UI. Form over function.

    Roll that sucker back.
     
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    pat866

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    My point was, the GUI was simple and easy-to-use, which is what made it appealing. My kids that grew up with Tivo also hate the new interface. In addition, through 17 years of upgrades the buttons on the remote have always done the same thing, and they mucked that all up, as well. ~frustrated~
     
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  14. Jan 12, 2018 #874 of 1080
    pat866

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    I've only seen one way to roll back, and it wipes out all the recordings and season passes. Is there a way to rollback without losing all the recorded shows and season passes?
     
  15. Jan 12, 2018 #875 of 1080
    RoamioJeff

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    Unfortunately, no. You're stuck with losing your content and season passes. It comes down to how much stuff you have on your box(es) and how many season passes you would have to recreate.

    TiVo dropped the ball in not being able to retain content and season passes during a rollback. There is no technical reason for that, other that to maybe provide a pain point to deter people from rolling back. If their intentions are good, maybe they will patch the rollback process to fix this.

    If were me, I would rollback regardless. But that is just me :)
     
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    lpwcomp

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    I suspect there are some DB changes involved, not just a new UI.
     
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    Diana Collins

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    How do you know that? Are you in the TiVo development team?

    As a product manager of software that makes EXTENSIVE use of data storage, new versions are often one way upgrades due to changes in the table structure. Upgrading a database is hard enough, downgrading is often so difficult it can take a couple of orders of magnitude longer to downgrade than to upgrade.

    Tivo has never allowed a downgrade, likely for this very reason. Tivo uses a fairly sophisticated database, and any update may change the table structure, the database engine, the Java version, the Linux release, etc., all of which complicate any downgrade process.

    TiVo offered Hydra as an option for current users, and provided a way to rollback the only way possible: via a C&DE, effectively. It was clearly stated that the only way to go back was to wipe the box. If you upgraded anyway, you knew what you were doing.

    Somebody once called TCF members a "bunch of whining cry-babies." I'm beginning to think he may have been right.
     
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    Diana Collins

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    It was DirecTV but only for titles they had available on-demand. They have never had any links to OTT services like Amazon or Netflix.
     
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    JoeKustra

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    I suspect you are right. There are some subtle changes to the guide & metadata. The new data might give the old software some problems.
     
  20. Jan 12, 2018 #880 of 1080
    RoamioJeff

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    If data can be converted from one format to another, there is no technical reason that it cannot be converted back to its original format. You reverse the process.

    Sure, they probably may not have specifically written a process for a reverse conversion. But just for season passes, it's a rather simple data set. And even so, the recordings are the recordings. Not seeing a reason why content needs to be lost.
     

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