TiVo Hydra/Gen4 User Interface reviews and comments thread

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  1. Nov 22, 2017 #601 of 1099
    sdorshan

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    I've read about half of this thread, so sorry if I repeat anything.

    I did not expect this Hydra thing. I hadn't read about it beforehand, and I thought that "New Experience" referred to the last set of changes with the apps. After all, Tivo is Tivo, and has always had pretty much the same interface since I started using it in Gen1 in the year 2000.

    I just wanted the white remote that is easier to find on the couch, and maybe the voice feature would be a fun toy.

    Wow, what a change. And not all for the good. I suppose I'll get used to the Now Playing list, but there are a few things that really bother me.

    - If the back arrow isn't being used for anything, let it work like the back button. Why does Skip get three different buttons, but you removed the Back function that I've been using for 17 years?

    - Why did you change the Tivo-2 shortcut? I remapped it to Tivo-5, but that should have been kept as the same shortcut.

    - Where's my old non-grid guide? The old guide showed me what is on right now, and I could see the upcoming shows for each channel as I scrolled through them. Now I've got to deal with a grid guide, which I never liked.

    - The graphics overscan too much. I have my TV adjusted according to its specs, and the edges are cut off. Text is too close to the edges of the screen.

    - On my Romio, I can't see my Tivo HD recordings, but I can see my Romio recordings from my Tivo HD.

    - Of all the services out there, why does Netflix get a button on the remote? ($$$$ ???).
     
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  2. Nov 22, 2017 #602 of 1099
    SandiMacD

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    I feel your pain. I downgraded last night to the normal TiVo UI. It's a simple process but you lose everything. I transfered all to a spare TiVo, then transferred it back. Took less than an hour start to finish but I have Fios internet.
     
  3. Nov 22, 2017 #603 of 1099
    samccfl99

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    It probably would have been easier to reboot it and then it would upgrade and then downgrade it. How come you want to downgrade (and no, I WON'T upgrade...LOL...just curious)?

    It has been said all along that you lose everything going back. I do not have a spare $1000 tivo to test with...:rolleyes::D
     
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  4. Nov 22, 2017 #604 of 1099
    samccfl99

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    I have not seen Ted commenting on any "design flaws" they may have created...I wonder if anyone has seen any Functionality changes from RC7 to RC9? It would be a miracle if someone said there was.
     
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  5. Nov 22, 2017 #605 of 1099
    SandiMacD

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    Tried unplugging/rebooting. Didn't change things I wasn't going to stay awake until 0230. Nor wake up,early before my husband who really wanted things "back to a normal" Tivo screen. Supposedly the downgrade takes an hour or more. I was quite impressed it was only a matter of minutes. Wasn't hard at all. Push buttons on remote 5 times and that's it. The transferring of shows happened while I slept. No big deal.

    I posted to show others a way to bypass the Tivo menu when a scheduled Hydra upgrade prevents a user from downgrading.

    I posted numerous reasons in the various threads. To recap: the Roamio OTA arrived last week and when I plugged it in I was unexpectedly faced with Hydra. Nothing during online purchased indicated it would be shipped with Hydra. I tried it. Busy screen, distracting images, streaming oriented, too many bells and whistles for my taste. I like a plain text menu to record, play and delete my OTA broadcasts. Simple is good.
     
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  6. Nov 22, 2017 #606 of 1099
    samccfl99

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    Thanks for the reply. I quite agree. I still do not understand OTA. I would never be able to live without cable. Where would you get CNN, MSNBC, CSPAN and so many other things? I an old dog. Anyway, I got no choice, I live in a condo where I "pay" in my maintenance for Basic and HBO and my Comcast bill is only $52 a month with Blast Internet and Digital Preferred on Promo (usually get it every year). I have my own modem forever and get my phone service from PhonePower.com (a great phone service for about $150 a year).

    I think it will be a long time before Gen4 is up to snuff (for picky me)...if ever.
     
  7. Nov 22, 2017 #607 of 1099
    SandiMacD

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    We have some things in common. We aren't spring chickens either and are lucky to have the best of both worlds. The Fios gives us the cable TV channels you mention. The OTA gives us PBS and local small town and county news channels not carried on the big city cable networks. And our VOIP is $50 a year with our own equipment. Meets our needs fine.
     
  8. Nov 23, 2017 #608 of 1099
    dsm363

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    Tried reading through this thread but didn't see anyone say exactly how you downgrade (I might have missed it). I just got a brand new TiVo Bolt Vox with the new Hydra UI. Really not liking it so far. Maybe I'll get used to it but miss the old UI. Don't really like the grid view that all the other DVRs have. Not sure why they did that.
     
  9. Nov 23, 2017 #609 of 1099
    hairyblue

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    The new UI seems harder to read. Little things are bothering me. When you go into "My Shows" and select a show's folder to get the list of edisodes for that show. How do you back up the "My Shows" list again. I'm having to hit the Tivo button and start over. I tried the "back button" but it does nothing. Tivo use to be very user friendly. Anyone could easily navigate the menus.
     
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  10. Nov 23, 2017 #610 of 1099
    SandiMacD

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    It is in a different place:
    How to Rollback Hydra from Roamio and Mini's v1

    A later post says it applies to the Bolt as well. The downgrade is like getting a new out if the box TiVo. You lose everything- one passes, recordings, user preferences, etc.

    I went to Tivo Online and transferred recordings and passes to another Tivo, then brought them back after the downgrade.
     
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  11. Nov 23, 2017 #611 of 1099
    mdavej

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    Get all those on DirecTV NOW for $35. But you're lucky your bill is already so low. Most aren't. Cutting the cord saves me well over $200/month in 2 households, and I still get all my old cable channels via DTVN.
     
  12. Nov 23, 2017 #612 of 1099
    dsm363

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    Thanks! Starting the upgrade (downgrade) now. I don't mind the new interface but seems like that could give you an option on how the guide is displayed at least. Grid vs. old style.
     
  13. Nov 23, 2017 #613 of 1099
    dsm363

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    Agree. You used to be able to hit the back arrow on the upper joystick. Now you have to hit the tiny back button to the left.
     
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  14. Nov 23, 2017 #614 of 1099
    hairyblue

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    The tiny back button will not take me back from this list. If I am in Youtube it does. I really have not found a button that would take me back.
     
  15. Nov 23, 2017 #615 of 1099
    hapster85

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    You hit the actual Back button, not the left arrow, and it didn't back up a level? Do you maybe have an older remote? Something is definitely not right if Back isn't working.
     
  16. Nov 23, 2017 #616 of 1099
    SandiMacD

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    I suppose the new back button will sell more remotes. I too was frustrated by having to hit the Tivo button and start over to navigate to where I wanted to go. No preinstalled videos like on earlier model TIVO's to show how Hydra works. I eventually found out about the back button in the forum. Then went online to order a second remote with the back button.

    There are only 2 of us but we each have our own TiVo remotes. Hubby loses his a lot. I know where mine is. We have like 6 old remotes from TIVO's that have died over the years. I ordered the new remote when I thought I had no choice but to accept Hydra. On day 5 we gave up and downgraded. Now all of our old remotes are useable again. His is a backlit remote. I didn't see a backlit remote with the new back button. I have a white TiVo remote that has a switcher so I can use volume up to control AV system and power to control TV. I also have one that slides open with a keyboard. None have back buttons.

    One thing I didn't think of trying was the Tivo App on my iPad. I use it quite a lot to manage recordings. I didnt think to look and see if the Tivo remote on the app now has a back button. If not, that might be something else to list as a desired feature.
     
  17. Nov 23, 2017 #617 of 1099
    hairyblue

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    Oh you are right, I was hitting the 30 sec. back up arrow. This is a big help. Thank.
     
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  18. Nov 23, 2017 #618 of 1099
    Rkkeller

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    I got an update last night to RC8, not sure what was fixed or changed yet.
     
  19. Nov 23, 2017 #619 of 1099
    aaronwt

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    pyTiVo works perfectly fine transferring from a TiVo to a PC. So does KMTTG. Its transferring from the PC to the TiVo that doesn't work.

    I am using Plex now so I can just stream that content to my TiVos if I need too. I have KMTTG setup to automatically convert the .TiVo Fi!es, then it goes into !u p!ex folder. And I can stream them to my Minis, Romaio, and Bolts.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk
     
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  20. Nov 23, 2017 #620 of 1099
    hapster85

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    Same here. Got the update to RC8 a couple days ago, on both my Roamio OTA and Mini. Have seen several references to RC9, so I guess we'll be seeing that on a few days. Haven't really had time to explore and see if any of the bugs from the first release are gone.
     

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