TiVo Hydra/Gen4 User Interface reviews and comments thread

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  1. Nov 14, 2017 #521 of 1099
    RichB

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    Originally, I thought that create a wish list was a header but if that is what you are looking for.
    You can just start searching if you are looking for a program and that works well.

    Wish list is uses a more inclusive matching scheme.

    - Rich
     
  2. Nov 14, 2017 #522 of 1099
    MighTiVo

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    Ok, shows where you are coming from with this idiotic and condescending response.

    Just to make sure I have this right.... your answer to a "Stupid Grid style guide" is knowledge of every new show added or cancelled and knowledge of every special event, and new release movie. Not to mention someone with a new TiVo trying to build their collection of One Passes....

    Apparently I misunderstood the complaint about the grid thinking you had a better idea....
     
  3. Nov 14, 2017 #523 of 1099
    MighTiVo

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    Thanks, yes I did realize that it was not a header. I was thinking that the options to create specific
    Title Keywords/Keywords/Actor/Director/Category were similar to "filter" functions that other screens use C to switch.

    It seems to me that it would make more sense to use C instead of using the directional buttons as if you had a mouse to move to another place on the screen to click an option. Using the C button to switch from generic "Search" to "Wishlist Search" seems to be more reasonable.

    The Show Wishlists is another issue.
    Right - Right - Right - Right - Right - Down


    Could be replaced with B perhaps?
    EDIT :
    Found a (secret?) shortcut Skip jumps to Create a Wishlist Search
     
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  4. Nov 15, 2017 #524 of 1099
    RichB

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    It seems like Create a WishList sub-search item is not needed.
    If searching for a program, it is either found or not. If found, then when selected, a list of choices can be presented that are appropriate. If the show is not upcoming, create a wish list. If upcoming, create a One Pass.

    What am I missing?

    - Rich
     
  5. Nov 15, 2017 #525 of 1099
    oryan_dunn

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    You can create wishlists on words as well. So I can create one for IndyCar that would get the races, but also get behind the scenes shows or other IndyCar related programming that doesn't have the exact title "IndyCar Racing".

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  6. Nov 15, 2017 #526 of 1099
    TonyD79

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    In every example you showed, the pertinent information is there and nothing more. Clutter does not equate to a full screen. Clutter is extraneous or unnecessary information. Blank space is not an offense. Having too much data or extraneous data is an offense.

    A full screen guide is not clutter. It is pertinent information.

    You seem to think that if there is screen space you have to fill it when it can actually confuse things.
     
  7. Nov 15, 2017 #527 of 1099
    TonyD79

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    Yes. Because the live guide doesn’t fill the screen.

    Suuuuure.
     
  8. Nov 15, 2017 #528 of 1099
    TonyD79

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    Stop. Just stop. Use it your way. We will use it our way. Some of us actually are open to new things and not closed minded about “what we want to watch.” Or use guides to see what we want to watch in the future.
     
  9. Nov 15, 2017 #529 of 1099
    MighTiVo

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    Using the generic Search instead of Wishlist Search doesn't offer the ability to select or combine criteria, it defaults to a generic Keyword search. The other criteria include limiting the search to Title Keywords, Actor, Director, and Category and creating combinations of same.

    After a generic Search you must go back after creating the generic Search to Wishlists, select the wishlist, and Edit Search Terms to add anything or change the generic Keyword to a specific category.

    For example, a Generic Search choosing an Actor puts their name in as a Keyword instead of as Actor criteria. This may or may not be what you are looking for.

    I find that most of my WishLists end up working best with combined criteria to limit extraneous results.
     
  10. Nov 15, 2017 #530 of 1099
    RoamioJeff

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    Full Stop. There is nothing "stupid" about a grid guide. It provides information in an efficient and useable format. And it is certainly more useful that a bunch of big blobby tiles or pictographs.
     
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  11. Nov 15, 2017 #531 of 1099
    RichB

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    This is the "TiVo Hydra/Gen4 User Interface reviews and comments thread".

    I think your confusing this thread with an Argument clinic:
    monty python paid for argument video - Bing video

    - Rich
     
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  12. Nov 15, 2017 #532 of 1099
    MighTiVo

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    My Shows lost info from the HDUI which could be easily added to the empty space following the basic Hydra style guide with the same lower right used for the graphic and detail. (This is actually what the HDUI had as well)

    With episode strip turned off, I find the day/date missing to be a major issue losing the ability to easily and quickly know if a recent episode was added. With episode strip turned on, I have to scroll through and view details to see the dates, it is no longer available as a quick glance of a page of shows.

    I would like to see a My Shows list that looked like the Hydra show detail screen when episode strip is turned off so it looked similar to the HDUI My Shows but following the Hydra style guide.

    I don't like the Continue Watching strip and would like to disable it, BUT the wasted space here could be used to add information like What I would continue watching - new episode? paused episode? In general I very much dislike the My Shows landing and navigation and find no consistency as you move about with strips opening and closing, left and right working on line below Continue to change filters, below that left and right in strip if enabled, the episode strip going away randomly even when enabled, the continue watching strip going away (somewhat) randomly, devices having a "strip" icon view even if episode strip is disabled. Overall I think My Shows is a mess and the wasted space here is an example of how the design could be improved following the style of other Hydra screens which are well laid out.
     
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  13. Nov 15, 2017 #533 of 1099
    Speed103

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    I remember seeing some mention of people losing audio if they did a skip forward and they were at the end of their live tv buffer. Has that been fixed?
     
  14. Nov 15, 2017 #534 of 1099
    samccfl99

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    Whoever said anything about wanting Tiles? I never said that. Also it seems to me that from what I read, that you have not upgraded.

    And I wish people would stop using the phrase "full stop", considering where it comes from.
     
  15. Nov 15, 2017 #535 of 1099
    samccfl99

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    coconut...
    You usually have informative and interesting posts. Someone has a bee in his bonnet.
     
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  17. Nov 15, 2017 #537 of 1099
    TonyD79

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    Interesting from the guy who changed the discussion to be about arguing from discussing the actual idea of clutter and design of the UI.

    I don’t WANT extra clutter. Simple is better. You want to fill every space on the screen. That is discussing the interface.
     
  18. Nov 15, 2017 #538 of 1099
    RichB

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    I posted images of screen that and areas where Hydra interface not as functional as the previous. I have also shown other Hydra screen where have additional information to illustrate that the UI is capable of displaying more data in a useful manner. This is for TiVo and other interested members. It is clearly not for you.

    Now, please move along and leave me be.

    - Rich
     
  19. Nov 15, 2017 #539 of 1099
    Charles R

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    My take... I have used Hydra since the day it was released and outside of the three or so bugs (loss of audio forwarding past the buffer, a channel missing in the guide and loss of audio coming out of "sleep" mode) it's a non event. After the initial half hour I can do what I did before within a few seconds and the experience is 99% the same... I view my recordings. However I will say every so often I find a new feature or way of doing something that I come to appreciate.

    Interface wise it's rather difficult to judge as I have spent well over a decade with the previous one so my mind is far from neutral. However the new interface is clearly more modern and offers "elegant" touches that wasn't possible with the old interface. Clearly it has the ability to integrate the DVR's content into the user interface/experience to a much larger degree.

    Now whether one prefers a text or graphical based interface this may or may not be seen as favorable. As well as how well one can adjust to a few seconds of change nightly. To a large degree I think only those who have never used TiVo can really judge how good or bad the new interface is. The rest of us have far too much bias... many can't even get over a button press here or there.
     
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  20. Nov 15, 2017 #540 of 1099
    aaronwt

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    I checked around fifteen shows last night with the episode strip. But out of those only two had repeating pictures. Van Helsing and The Blacklist. The rest had a different picture for each episode.
     

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