TiVo Hydra/Gen4 User Interface reviews and comments thread

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  1. Nov 8, 2017 #461 of 1099

    isilv New Member

    Sep 27, 2013


    Not sure if I'm doing something wrong but on my shows even after sorting by date some programs are lower on the list. Even though they are new and should be at the top. I only started noticing with hydra I don't have another TiVo to check if it's happening in the older version as well.
  2. Nov 9, 2017 #462 of 1099

    MighTiVo TiVotarian

    Oct 26, 2000
    Nashville, TN
    Certainly agree that I have a lot to relearn. In the past I rarely used anything other than TiVo, cursor control, and transport for regular activities.
    There seems to be more times I need to access the other buttons, so a little retraining, I will get there...

    One example of a pain is when I access devices. After watching and deleting a recording, I drop back to the home TiVo "My Shows", after clicking, 5 times to get back to the device , then searching for where I was... I can watch the next episode, old UI left me where I was as if the remote device was my home and could easily go to next episode.

    Speaking of leaving me where I was, I could set up recordings on a remote device. I don't seem to be able to do that now at all, I keep dropping back to home TiVo.

    There are also many places I think pressing Play should work but is silently ignored.
    Page Up/Down doesn't always work where it seems it should.

    I like the episode strip, but feels buggy...... you have to select a program to get the strip to show up, then if you move around a bit, it will collapse - seemingly randomly, but can be reliably on a specific program, or go back up to the filter list and the strip goes away as well, in either case, have to select on a program to activate again - I leave it off for a uniform experience but would like it on all the time.

    Bug? Sometimes have to hit select on Continue Watching (most notably after page up, but also seems occasionally random), normally moving cursor up to Continue Watching opens the strip.

    Is there a how to - tips/tricks/shortcuts/differences/description for Hydra?
    I did find the guide

    I am interested in these comments you made, not clear about some of it but would like to learn what I may be missing as easier:
    buffer access is a single click - ?
    captions on and off - assume you mean here Info + Select, I used to right click to get to this option, so fewer presses now, but have to find the info button :)
    getting lists of upcoming Wishlist programs - still looking for this

    Overall I am impressed, like it, keeping it, but still getting used to it...
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2017
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  3. Nov 9, 2017 #463 of 1099

    tenthplanet Well-Known Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    Did the Hydra update, took about 5 minutes to get used to it, I like it. No problems yet. :)
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  4. Nov 9, 2017 #464 of 1099
    Wayne Hutchinson

    Wayne Hutchinson New Member

    Sep 12, 2017
    Over all I like the Hydra interface; it seems more refined with better information presented logically.

    The one negative, the picture is Softer, had to increase Color by 1 and change Gamma from 2.1 to 2.2 to somewhat compensate on my Vizio P75.

    Suspect it has to do with the interface implementation causing the change.
  5. Nov 9, 2017 #465 of 1099

    hapster85 Well-Known Member

    Sep 7, 2016


    I don't see where there's anything "Fischer Price" about new TiVo UI. It looks and feels very modern and intuitive to me. It only took a few minutes to learn, which I think is testament to how well it's laid out. And this is from a 50 year old, who's usual first reaction to change is to grumble and moan and call it stupid.
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  6. Nov 9, 2017 #466 of 1099

    RoamioJeff Unregistered User

    May 8, 2014
    Well, I'm younger than you and rarely grumble about anything. But in this case they removed functionality and rearranged the eye candy (or layout, as you indicate).
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  7. Nov 10, 2017 #467 of 1099

    tim_m Active Member

    Mar 8, 2017
    Fisher Price was Windows XP not Hydra at all.
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  8. Nov 10, 2017 #468 of 1099

    hapster85 Well-Known Member

    Sep 7, 2016
    I would assume the missing functionality is the live guide? I was never a fan of it, so I didn't use it, but the up arrow serves a similar purpose, albeit in a different format. Although I can see where that would be less than ideal for someone who liked the live guide. Perhaps it will make a comeback, with so many unhappy with it's disappearance. Is there something else missing that I haven't noticed?

    XP was more Teletubbies.
  9. Nov 10, 2017 #469 of 1099

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

    May 6, 2002
    The ability to transfer is a big one.
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  10. Nov 10, 2017 #470 of 1099

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

    Dec 7, 2012
    Ashland, PA...
    I upgraded one of my basic Roamio boxes last night. Impressions: very nice display. It has a much modern look. No problems finding things which may be due to the UI change recently. I could use it.

    After playing with it for about an hour, I followed the removal procedure. I don't really need it and am quite happy with 20.7.4 (bugs and all). I'm waiting for a sale on the new Mini. I may change my mind again.
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  11. Nov 10, 2017 #471 of 1099

    RoamioJeff Unregistered User

    May 8, 2014
    Yep, for me it's the big one.

    For the life of me I cannot understand why they cannot re-skin a UI without messing with major functionality.
  12. Nov 10, 2017 #472 of 1099

    RichB Oppo Beta Group

    Apr 2, 2003
    UI Navigation is a regression but OK
    Most of the UI is just different but not superior.

    The old UI was more consistent and easier to navigate.

    Old UI:
    1. Lists are vertical
    2. Selecting and item transition to another vertical list. This maximizes the choices in each menu.

    New UI:
    1. Lists are vertical but options within lists are horizontal.
    2. Scrolling right and left is required. IMPO, right/left scrolling is less intuitive.
    Overall, It appears the Hydra is attempting to model the UI closer to Netflix where down is categories, right/left is choices with categories, and shows are represented by large icons.

    There is sensible when there are vast selection of titles and the images are useful in identifying a title.
    However, in My Shows, this is not a good choice since user knows the shows and wants to find the known item.
    The old UI is better in that it is quicker and easier to review My Shows (emphasis on My). The icon on the right confirms the proper show.

    - Rich
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2017
  13. Nov 10, 2017 #473 of 1099
    Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    To be fair, it's not required; it's just the default option. One of the first things I did was turn it off. Now I just have vertical lists, as before (although now individual shows and folders aren't mixed in together; it's all folders).
  14. Nov 10, 2017 #474 of 1099

    moyekj Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2006
    Everything being a folder is a regression. Before I could just navigate to an ungrouped title and click play to start play, or clear to delete. Now there are extra presses to do the same even with the Hydrated vertical list.
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  15. Nov 10, 2017 #475 of 1099

    samccfl99 I Am Sometimes Vocal

    Sep 7, 2013
    That's so dumb! What is in their heads? But it does show the recording count and then you would be able to hit Play and it would start at the last (and only one), right? I would love to see and play with it, but not without keeping my recordings on downgrade...
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  16. Nov 10, 2017 #476 of 1099
    Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    I agree. Apparently the reason for it is so the left-right scrolling feature could be added, but I prefer the old way.
    No, you can no longer play a folder's contents...you have to go into the folder and select an episode.
  17. Nov 10, 2017 #477 of 1099

    tngiloy New Member

    Aug 24, 2017
    I was able to fix the problems I was having with Hydra on my Roamio OTA and Mini yesterday!! After spending an hour with Tivo support and resetting/restarting/unplugging and sacrificing a live chicken (just kidding PETA) I decided to 'downgrade' to the original firmware. For me the 'upgrade' to Hydra was a downgrade. My channel guide would screw up for no reason and could only be fixed by going into 'options' and changing to 'all' and then back. Thanks again to Tony for the work around, the WAF was beginning to wear thin. Now I can hit enter/last and toggle back and forth between channels on my Mini, and the channel guide is stable on both boxes.
    Congratulations to all of you who are able to use Hydra without problems. I actually did like the looks of Hydra better, but keeping it would be like buying a new car because I liked its looks better, but wondering every time I put the key in whether it would start or not. I'll keep the old one that works, thank you very much.
    I did ask Tivo if they would send a new Hydra download just in case the one I got some how got a bad copy or it didn't download correctly, but they said that was not an option.(?)
  18. Nov 10, 2017 #478 of 1099

    RoamioJeff Unregistered User

    May 8, 2014
    All I can say is that I'm so glad I read all the comments here before not upgrading to this.

    Thank you very much, beta testers :)
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  19. Nov 10, 2017 #479 of 1099

    BHyde Member

    Dec 14, 2003
    This question goes to Bolt users who had problems getting apps such as Netflix and Amazon up and running - does the Hydra upgrade cause problems again with getting access to these apps? And if I don't like Hydra and do the downgrade, will that problem come back? Does anyone know?
  20. Nov 10, 2017 #480 of 1099

    Rkkeller Well-Known Member

    May 13, 2004
    I know this thread is for opinions, but keep in mind this is an OPTIONAL update so you don't have to use it if you don't want.

    I love it and a LOT of what I see people complaining about or missing is really due to the things they want to do that the majority never even do or know about. I saw some people complaining about things in roughly 17 years of owing a TiVo I never did or a few things I didn't even know what they were talking about. So obvious no mass appeal type things.

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