TiVo Hydra/Gen4 User Interface reviews and comments thread

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  1. Oct 31, 2017 #361 of 1101
    Diana Collins

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    I am not speaking for Ted, but if it were reasonably possible don't you think they would have done it? I am the product manager for a data management product that maintains its own database (sort of like a TiVo in that respect). We often revise the internal data structures from release to release. Once you upgrade the database, you can't downgrade it. If you need to go back to the old release you have to wipe your database and restore a backup. This is not an uncommon practice.

    The only thing unique about TiVo is that, because of the copyright owner's rules, some recordings can't be backed up (transferred to PC or another TiVo). But this IS an optional upgrade. There is plenty of information out already about Hydra and how it differs from the older UI (the basic tenets of which are approaching 20 years old). If you are not sure you will like it, you shouldn't upgrade. If you are sure, and then change your mind, there IS an escape hatch, but it has a cost.

    Personally, I very much like Hydra. It takes getting used to after nearly 20 years of one paradigm, but I think it is a long needed refresh. Without it, the TiVo user experience (UX) would continue to become more and more dated and old fashioned. This style of UX is very current (look at Comcast, Hulu, Netflix, Plex, etc...they have all implemented similar interfaces).

    It may not be for everybody - at least TiVo, alone among providers, is not forcing it on you.
     
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  2. Oct 31, 2017 #362 of 1101
    kbmb

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    Just upgraded one of our Roamios and so far it's pretty funny to see the reactions in our house. We have two kids (12 and 10). I like change and trying new things.....overall I like Hydra. Lots of little things I'd tweak, but so far it's a nice upgrade. The wife.....HATES it! Immediate hatred. :p So I tried to calmly show her how to do things. Just doesn't like it. I tried telling her it's fresh and a new way of doing things. She gets very frustrated easily.

    We wanted to test a couple things with our kids and the results were hilarious! Both kids, without the 10+ years of muscle memory, were able to pick and do things in Hydra that my wife was having problems with. My wife would ask my daughter to do this or do that (hoping she'd stumble) and she'd do it every time!! Wife finally threw her hands up and said clearly this means she's old :eek:
     
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  3. Oct 31, 2017 #363 of 1101
    schatham

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    Mini's still need to be re-booted every day to work.
     
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  4. Oct 31, 2017 #364 of 1101
    aaronwt

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    I've tried my Gen 1 Mini with Hydra at least five times since I upgraded on Sunday. So far I have not needed to reboot it. It's come right up everytime I've used it. I've been specifically checking it to see if I run into any issues with Hydra on it.
     
  5. Oct 31, 2017 #365 of 1101
    schatham

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    For me it's both gen 1 and 2 mini's that get the check your cable card message that a re-boot fixes. But it is getting tiring.
     
  6. Oct 31, 2017 #366 of 1101
    DeltaOne

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    Try the kickstart code:

    thumbs down
    thumbs up
    play
    play

    ...when you get the V66 (cable card) error on your Mini.

    A fellow user suggested it to me earlier today. I haven't needed it yet...but I'll try it next time I get a V66 error.
     
  7. Oct 31, 2017 #367 of 1101
    JoeKustra

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    Technically that's a hidden code. Kickstart codes no longer work.
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  8. Oct 31, 2017 #368 of 1101
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Nope, still not working. I'm going from the Now Playing list...even if there's only one episode of a show, hitting play does nothing. You have to select the folder, then once inside (looking at the one episode that's there) you can hit play. So it's definitely an extra step for single episodes from the old way, where folders would only show up if there were more than one episode.
     
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  9. Oct 31, 2017 #369 of 1101
    TeamPace

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    On the Boltdoesnt it ask you if you prefer to go to he HD channel if there is one?
     
  10. Oct 31, 2017 #370 of 1101
    markp99

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    On Roamio it offers the HD channel with a "D" press.
     
  11. Oct 31, 2017 #371 of 1101
    TeamPace

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    I thought there was an easy way to switch. I'm OTA only so that doesn't function for me.
     
  12. Oct 31, 2017 #372 of 1101
    Jimbo713

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    Anyone mention this? On the main Bolt, when pressing the TiVo button, the main menu options do not appear. Nor the tiles at the bottom. Ideas? And when navigating to Help, to reboot, the unit freezes.
     
  13. Oct 31, 2017 #373 of 1101
    Jimbo713

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    If I reset the Tivo the original OS will return?
     
  14. Oct 31, 2017 #374 of 1101
    lpwcomp

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    No.
     
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  15. Oct 31, 2017 #375 of 1101
    PSU_Sudzi

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    And as of right now it’s not possible to reset your TiVo, it’s still inactive.
     
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  16. Oct 31, 2017 #376 of 1101
    DeltaOne

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  17. Nov 1, 2017 #377 of 1101
    tngiloy

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    I've only had the 'cable-card' error once on my Mini: it resolved with a re-boot.
    Twice yesterday and again this morning I had a problem with 'Guide' on both Roamio OTA and Mini. It only showed about 8-10 stations instead of all the 20+ channels I have checked to be in the guide list. I went into 'setup' in the Roamio and then into channel list. All the channels I had chosen were still 'checked' and when I backed out of 'setup' it fixed the 'guide' channel list in the Roamio, but I had to do a reboot on the Mini to get the channel list back to normal.
    These seem to be pretty obvious problems that should have shown up in beta testing. It doesn't seem that they even tested the Mini's in the beta stage.
     
  18. Nov 1, 2017 #378 of 1101
    BigJimOutlaw

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    I'm not going to kick and scream over the Left/Back button issue too much. I'm over the muscle memory.

    My problem isn't about not using Left, but actually a separate one -- the Back button is hard to find. Being directly left of the Left button and having a slight indentation on the Vox remotes is not sufficient.

    The way I'm doing it, first I have to go to the Left pad, then move left to find it. If I do it any other way I end up fat fingering it on Input and Volume.

    The Back button should be larger. For serving such a newly important function, it should have at least equal weight to Ok/Select and possibly even the voice button; not be among the smallest buttons on the remote.

    There's nothing that can be done for existing remotes, but I would have expected the Vox remotes to have respected this new role and done this better.
     
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  19. Nov 1, 2017 #379 of 1101
    TonyD79

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    I got it late last night. I changed the channels from channel list to all and it fixed itself.
     
  20. Nov 1, 2017 #380 of 1101
    DaveMN

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    Dumb question: What's the quickest way to delete a recording either while watching it, or when playback is complete? This was quick and easy in the old UI, but I'm at a loss in Hydra.
     

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