TiVo HDTV Series 3 has crashed/rebooted several times in one day

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by Mike Richardson, Sep 24, 2012.

  1. Oct 9, 2012 #61 of 116
    unitron

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    They aren't that close, I could do it with a Weller soldering gun tip.

    And actually the greater heat would make it easier.

    Exactly what kind of iron do you have?

    The power supply may or may not be your only problem but you won't know until you get it fixed.

    Look around for a TV or stereo shop with a repair department and ask them if they understand why Low ESR capacitors are used in switching power supplies, and do they know about "capacitor plague".

    If the answer makes it seem like they know what they're talking about, find out if they'll sell you the caps or do the job (walk in with the board in your hand).

    It should be a lot cheaper than $100.

    If they sell you the 3 caps for $10 they'll be making plenty of markup and saving you shipping charges and waiting.
     
  2. Oct 9, 2012 #62 of 116
    snowjay

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    I have this RS 25W iron. Think I should upgrade?

    I ordered the parts from Mouser so I'll give it a go when they get here.
     
  3. Oct 9, 2012 #63 of 116
    unitron

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    The tip on that thing should be plenty small.

    It wouldn't hurt if it were a higher wattage for more heat, but instead of getting another iron, grab one of these

    http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062731&clickid=prod_cs

    and remember, when unsoldering, heat up the joint and then apply a little new solder to help melt the old.

    When soldering, heat the joint and let the joint's heat melt the solder.

    And you can use that solder sucker as a heat source for soldering as well. Hold it with your left hand, heating up the joint to be soldered with the iron in your right. After about half a minute, put the solder sucker on it's stand and grab the solder with your left hand while applying the iron to the joint to keep it hot and feed the solder into the joint.

    And make careful notes about which cap came out of which place and which hole got the - lead and which hole got the + lead.

    You do not want to install the new ones backwards, polarity-wise.
     
  4. Oct 9, 2012 #64 of 116
    snowjay

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    Thanks for the tips. I'll try to get out and get one of those desoldering irons, I usually just use the braided wire.
     
  5. Oct 9, 2012 #65 of 116
    unitron

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    Unfortunately Radio Shack is getting their de-soldering braid from a different supplier these days.

    It used to be not as good as the name brand stuff, like Chem-tronics, Tech-Spray, GC, et cetera, but it was okay. But not the stuff they have now.

    You'd be better off using the braid from old TV coax and a little rosin flux.

    The trick with the TiVo power supply boards, especially for the - leads which are soldered to the ground plane which is a big expanse of copper that makes a good heat sink, is to be able to deliver enough heat more than what gets conducted away to be able to get the solder to melt.

    Once it melts you can rock the cap a little to pull the lead out and then do the other one and go back and forth 'til both leads are free.

    Then you need to clean up the holes enough to be able to put the new leads in.
     
  6. Oct 10, 2012 #66 of 116
    snowjay

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    I'm not sure what braid I have w/o looking, but it's not anything too new.

    I've done very little soldering on boards before so this should be interesting. Most of my soldering has been on audio connections or auto wiring which is a little less precise. Although I did manage to remove a faulty temp sensor from an old PowerBook G4 motherboard without screwing it up and that was very tight quarters.
     
  7. Oct 10, 2012 #67 of 116
    snowjay

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    So while I'm waiting for my capacitors I was reading some of the other threads and did an experiment. I popped out one of my cable cards and got it to boot first time. So hopefully the PS is the only problem and there aren't other lingering issues on the HD.
     
  8. Oct 11, 2012 #68 of 116
    unitron

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    Then you'll probably be fine.

    The power supply board is single layer and a not very complex layout by modern standards, so if you have to learn on something in the TiVo, that's the best place.

    Just remember don't get the polarity backwards and always know where both ends of the power cord are at all times.
     
  9. Oct 12, 2012 #69 of 116
    snowjay

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    Thanks for the vote of confidence! I'm pretty meticulous and a "Mr. Fix-it" so I probably won't have any problem.

    My local Rat Shack is poorly stocked so no replacement tip or desolderer. I did manage to pick up a Weller 40W iron though, with multiple tips so all was not lost.
     
  10. Oct 15, 2012 #70 of 116
    Beachbum55

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    I think my Series 3 with a 500 GM WD expansion drive is toast.

    It was stuck on re-boot this morning. I unplugged it/plugged it back in, got that green screen warning message, then it worked for about 15 minutes.

    It's now stuck on powering up and I can't get to any of the diagnostics.

    Any suggestions?
     
  11. Oct 15, 2012 #71 of 116
    snowjay

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    Well after a weeks worth of anticipation and about 15 minutes of work, I changed out the 9 capacitors that I ordered and the TiVo has booted. YAY!

    Now lets see if my excitement is short lived...


    The replacement wasn't bad at all. The joints aren't the prettiest but they work. Actually the actual joints look solid, there is just some flux residue that got on the board in a couple of spots from the desoldering braid.
     
  12. Oct 16, 2012 #72 of 116
    unitron

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    What exactly do you mean by stuck on re-boot?

    What exactly did the green screen say?
     
  13. Oct 16, 2012 #73 of 116
    snowjay

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    Update: I watched 3hrs of TV last night with no issues. However when I woke up this morning the clock was froze on the front of the S3 at 1:35am. Turing the TV on revealed nothing but a black screen. I rebooted and it seemed to come up but since I was headed to work I didn't have time to do any thorough diagnostics. We'll see what state it is in when I get home. I have a feeling I'm going to need a new HD and may just swap it now while it's still somewhat functioning.
     
  14. Oct 16, 2012 #74 of 116
    unitron

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    It's not impossible to co-incidently have power supply problems and hard drive problems at the same time.
     
  15. Oct 16, 2012 #75 of 116
    snowjay

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    Yeah, I know it's not out of the realm of possibility. The failing power could certainly lead to hard drive issues as well.

    I'm going to try doing a kickstart 54 and 57 and see what happens before I pull the plug on a new drive. I'm pretty confident I have no power issues now.
     
  16. Oct 16, 2012 #76 of 116
    snowjay

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    TiVo is hosed. Usually wont boot past the powering up screen and if it does boot, it maybe works for 15 minutes before rebooting again, that is of course if it doesn't get the GSOD.

    *sigh*

    I'm running the standard 160GB drive with a 1TB extension. Since I'm likely to lose all my recordings anyway I'm thinking of picking up that 2TB drive from Amazon mentioned earlier. I'm open to suggestions.

    I realize all my settings will be gone, but what about my season passes? I can see what they are on the TiVo website or iPhone app so would that get copied back to the box? I'm hoping my cable cards will still work w/o me having to call Cablevision.
     
  17. Oct 16, 2012 #77 of 116
    lpwcomp

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    If you can divorce the external, you may be able to use your 160 rather than a downloaded image to create the new internal, thus preserving all of your settings and season passes.
     
  18. Oct 16, 2012 #78 of 116
    snowjay

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    Yeah, I figured I'd try that first, assuming I can read the drive long enough to update the new one. If I knew it would work I'd get a second 250 and keep my existing setup, but everything is a gamble...


    While we are on the subject, anyway to clone a TiVo drive via a Mac? I have SuperDuper but not sure what it will do with a TiVo drive.
     
  19. Oct 17, 2012 #79 of 116
    snowjay

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    Well I ordered the WD20EURS as it seems people have gotten it to work at full capacity on the S3 w/ OLED. The price dropped to $113 and it will be here Friday.


    BTW, any chance my external drive could be failing causing these issues?
     
  20. Oct 19, 2012 #80 of 116
    Nelson213

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    Hi All,


    I had a similar question...I've been experiencing the same problems as everyone else on this thread. I've got the Series 3 with OLED with the original 250GB internal and a 1TB Fantom Green Drive (GD1000EU) as an expansion. I tried the SMART test and it couldn't finish on the first drive. I assumed after reading through several threads that Unitron's suggestion to replace the drive according to Lussie/S3-2501 method would work. But how does the expansion drive come into play? I have a spare 2TB WD20EARS AF drive, looking for any advice on how I should proceed.


    Thanks!!!
     

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