Tivo has just Screwed EVERY S3 owner!

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by rick123, Mar 3, 2010.

  1. Mar 3, 2010 #61 of 296

    bicker bUU

    Nov 9, 2003


    Could you have "at least" planned to replace your Series 3 with a Premiere? :confused:

    At the expense of what? They spent what the spent to produce what they've produced, so go through the list of advancements in the TiVo Premiere and list those that you would have them not have implemented, to make room in the budget from what you would have had them do instead.

    Then, we'll talk about how you're going to prove that doing as you would have had them do instead actually better for them than what they actually did.

    The point is that we're probably not in a good position to judge whether pleasing us pays off. We're always going to overestimate our own value, and underestimate the cost we incur (and the value others afford TiVo).
  2. Mar 3, 2010 #62 of 296

    bicker bUU

    Nov 9, 2003
    I wouldn't say it "worked". If the whole UI worked that poorly, I'd sell my S3 and get a Moxi.
  3. Mar 3, 2010 #63 of 296
    Corran Horn

    Corran Horn Member

    Feb 12, 2002
    That's what I use as a model for the new UI on the S3's. (for good or ill)

    If the new UI works that slowly on that hardware platform I'd hate it and my wife would kill me.
  4. Mar 3, 2010 #64 of 296

    turbobozz New Member

    Sep 21, 2006
    Beta Search doesn't run on the S3 hardware.
    It is running on a remote server as a super HME app, which is why it extremely slow.
  5. Mar 3, 2010 #65 of 296

    asarathy New Member

    Sep 19, 2007


    Actually, I would have considered getting the Premiere if it weren't so meh....

    But honestly that's the point. I am in no position to tell Tivo how to operate. But since I didn't pay for lifetime, they need my money too. So I am under no obligation to continue shelling out money for a product that isn't meeting the expectations (lofty as they may be) I have for it. And the fact is Tivo has a lot of competitors now who are doing a lot of neat things that Tivo is not.

    Tivo Business Model relies on 3 things. People buying hardware, people paying for service, and people using the box so they can push ads and sell data. For those of us who don't have lifetime, not keeping us Happy hurts two of the three revenue streams. The box is a sunk cost.

    Look, i don't think it's realistic for them to push a GUI that the hardware can't handle. But the current TIVO menu is just text. Could they really not turn that into an HD mode, where you can see more text, read more in the info, see the full title, etc? I mean, am I using a tech product that's interface looks exactly like it did 10 years ago. Designed for 27 Inch screens. It's like look at a website that was designed 640x480 monitors. It makes it look dated, and it's less functional because you can't get as much info (which is the important thing).

    Yes we all love the Tivo interface, that's why we choose it, but that doesn't meant it can't be cleaned up in places....
  6. Mar 3, 2010 #66 of 296

    drjlb Member

    Feb 2, 2004
    Of course it does. I grant you that the slowness is due to the TiVo servers, but all of the HD graphics are on the S3 box. Maybe more of the search results are cached on the S4, but TiVo servers will still be involved. But, removing the TiVo server part of the equation, there is no hardware reason why the HD graphics involved in the beta Search can't be used on every S3 menu, maximizing real estate.
  7. Mar 3, 2010 #67 of 296

    bmgoodman Member

    Dec 20, 2000
    I'd like the new HD UI, but not at the expense of slower UI "feel". I'm frankly not that unhappy with the current situation. But I COULD be unhappy if Tivo stops fixing the existing software bugs in the Series 3 and Tivo HD. Of course, I suspect many bugs persist because all available resources went into the Series 4 R&D.

    For me, I want the little things fixed, like

    *when you delete something from a folder and it suddenly shows no items in the folder, until you leave the folder and return, or
    *when the highlighted program changes when you go into its description and then back out.

    I want other things improved, like the channel selection process. Why can't I SEE the channel in the background when deciding if I want to remove it or add it?

    I want to see major flaws that only impact a few people fixed. Like the issue with the gray screen some people experience with Tivo HD whose current workaround is scheduling 1 minute manual recordings.

    I'd love to see manual QAM mapping, but I know it's been a low priority previously and probably now a zero priority.

    So let's wait to see just how abandoned we are by Tivo before we get so upset....

    Oh, and while I'm at it, let me make a suggestion:
    Tivo should offer a $5/month subscription for Series 1 and Series 2 boxes that offers NO SUPPORT nor SOFTWARE UPGRADES. Why do I say this when Tivo might lose new sales to people sticking with old boxes? Frankly, I think Tivo desperately needs MORE SUBSCRIPTIONS. People keep talking about Tivo dying or withering away. I know many people with old Tivo units sitting in closets now. If these units still work, Tivo could inflate its numbers for little cost, or so it seems to me. By doing this without any support or upgrades, what is Tivo out? What could they gain? Well, they might hook some new customers who WOULD consider upgrading once that box died. Just trying to think outside the (Tivo) box....
  8. Mar 3, 2010 #68 of 296

    Lorelei New Member

    Mar 3, 2010
    NY, NY
    It seems like Best Buy no longer have series 3 in stock.

    Do you think the best thing (because it is unopened etc) is to take it back and get a refund or just keep it?

  9. Mar 3, 2010 #69 of 296

    Keen Member

    Aug 2, 2009
    Minneapolis, MN
    So, you purchased an S3 not for what features and GUI it actually had, but for features and GUI that you imagined it would one day have? How odd.
  10. Mar 3, 2010 #70 of 296

    solutionsetc Member

    Apr 2, 2009
    Get the refund and by a new TiVo or Moxi. TiVo HD has issues and appears to be a dead platform. I would return mine in an instant if that were an option.
  11. Mar 3, 2010 #71 of 296

    asarathy New Member

    Sep 19, 2007
    Right, Because Tivo didn't sell and market the fact that they update the software with new features? But because something was good enough at the time of purchase doesn't mean it continues to be. And there is a difference asking for a feature that is not possible on the hardware and not getting improvements that could be done by software.
  12. Mar 3, 2010 #72 of 296

    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

    Jul 6, 2002
    Really? they've stopped supporting its operation?
    Just like the Series 1 units that are still out there chugging away just fine, or the Series 2 units that also work just fine. I count neither one of those as "dead platforms"
  13. Mar 3, 2010 #73 of 296

    WhiskeyTango New Member

    Sep 20, 2006
    New Jersey
    If you can get the adjustment, I think you should consider keeping it. Like I mentioned before you can get a 1TB drive on ebay, preloaded with the Tivo software for $116. That would put your total price at $296, about the same price as the Premiere with 3 times as much storage space.

  14. Mar 3, 2010 #74 of 296

    dtremit Member

    Mar 17, 2002
    Cambridge, MA
    This right here is my biggest complaint with the Premiere. The new product has orphaned my relatively recently acquired HD in order to introduce a new model that doesn't really do many things better aside from look shiny. The core UI was, in my opinion, the one part of the system that needed the least improvement -- just a resolution upgrade. But naturally, new features are likely to be introduced only for the new UI, just as new features for the S2 didn't make it back to the S1.

    Many people are countering criticism by saying that the S3 does just what it did yesterday, which is obviously true. But one of the reasons I have invested in the S3 platform is that my S2 does significantly more than it did when I first purchased it. I expected that TiVo would put the same effort into the S3 platform, and I am disappointed that they have not.
  15. Mar 3, 2010 #75 of 296

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

    Feb 4, 2008
    Nobody said they were not going to add new features to the HD, just not the ones you want.

    As has been said a bunch of times here, just because you think it would be easy/cheap/appropriate/free to have the menus in HD does not make it so.

    If you feel shorted- buy the new unit and sell your old one. There.

    Time to ignore the rest of this thread.
  16. Mar 3, 2010 #76 of 296

    Keen Member

    Aug 2, 2009
    Minneapolis, MN
    ^ I totally agree with jrtroo. It's like people don't understand that new hardware will come out with new shiny. If you want the new shiny, then you wait until it's released, don't whine that you bought before it was available.
    Unless they're saying you'll get specific new features, I don't see the problem.
    Can you expand on this? Tivo isn't remotely crippling all existing S3s, so I don't get how it's no longer "good enough".
    Got a link to show the improvements can be done in software?
  17. Mar 3, 2010 #77 of 296

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Apr 5, 2002
    Cupertino, CA
    Actually my complaints aren't about the GUI but about loss of functionality in an indirect way.

    More and more the cable companies are setting the coptyrestrict flags.
    We have 3 Tivos and I can't tell you how many times now versus never a few years ago that I have been prevented from watching a show in the other room.

    I was hoping for streaming features that would circumvent this new restriction and restore the perceived functionality I had when I first got my S3.

    When you look at the competition it really seems to be catching up but not leaping ahead.

    Granted there may be a lot more software potential on the new platform.

    3 Tivos gives us 6 tuners across 4 TVs. Having to run around the house setting recordings when there is a conflict is not new but it is becoming an increasing problem. Especially during periods like the olympics. A server/streaming solution is more economical in my opinion.

    Does anybody know if the MOXis can stream to each other or can a single moximate see multiple servers?
  18. Mar 3, 2010 #78 of 296

    asarathy New Member

    Sep 19, 2007
    Well since the Tivo is capable of outputting at 1080i, it's a matter of giving it a scalable font that is designed for 1080i and a base resolution for the screen. That is doable in software.

    As for being good enough, when you see other products coming out that have better features that are not enabled solely due to hardware, looking at what you have in comparison is no longer good enough. IE, the Droid and Nexus one came out sans multitouch, but with hardware capable of it. The htc Hero came out with multitouch. Not having multitouch was no longer good enough especially since they could implement it. That's how i feel about an Non native HD GUI.

    And I spend my 13 bucks a month to pay for them implement new and improved features. Not just give me freely available guide data. And if they don't give me the features I want, they'll loss my business, which all I have ever said. Tivo owes me nothing, and I owe them nothing as well. But you turnoff your fans at your own peril.
  19. Mar 3, 2010 #79 of 296

    JohnBrowning Member

    Jul 15, 2004
    Plano, TX
    Pretty silly comment by the OP. I bought a Series 3. I does what was promised. I got what I paid for. Why should I feel screwed??? I don't.
  20. Mar 3, 2010 #80 of 296

    Gregor Wear Your Mask! TCF Club

    Feb 18, 2002
    Well said. I bought a S3 on day 1, and it's terrific. Bought a 2nd one a couple years later, too.

    I don't get the "I want hardware that doesn't get obsolete or I'm screwed" rants.

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